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Posted on 4/19/18 at 9:42 am to mdomingue
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Possibly. It is also the thread where reasonable heads may suggest over $6000 on a diamond with color and clarity issues visible to the naked eye might be unwise.
Agree with you, but it's the size that's propping that price up. He isn't going to find a stone of that size with better color and clarity for much under $8,000, and that's not assuming retailer pricing (which will be more).
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:02 am to Helo
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The cut is what you want and there is nothing wrong with the color.
The SI2 on a diamond over a carat is problematic.
Try to get a SI1 or VVS2.
Getting an eye clean diamond over a carat is important.
Go down on the carat weight if the price is a bit high but it would be worth it.
This is a pretty informative site
Everything this guy said. When I was shopping for my wife's ring over a decade ago it was completely overwhelming. I did a ton of research. When it came down to picking out the stone I went with one that was a VVS1 and right at 1ct instead of a 1.25ct stone rated SI2. The VVS1 was more expensive but it wasn't even close when they were side by side. The clarity absolutely matters.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:04 am to Jcorye1
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mean it's not just a woman thing, plenty of dumbasses are dropping 50k plus on trucks nowadays.
At least trucks have a purpose
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:05 am to GAFF
It's all about the 4C's: Cut, Color, Clarity, and Carat
I bought my wife a cushion shape, ideal cut colorless diamond with a VS1 clarity. It's a 3/4 carat but with it shape, it appears closer to a 1 carat thanks to it's shape and depth.
To achieve the desired "sparkle", I really focused on the color and clarity.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:17 am to S1C EM
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Agree with you, but it's the size that's propping that price up. He isn't going to find a stone of that size with better color and clarity for much under $8,000, and that's not assuming retailer pricing (which will be more).
Haven't looked at Diamonds in a while. Still amazing that they actually still demand such a high price considering that fact that they are not nearly as rare as people may think. Plus, if I'm gonna spend $6400 dollars, I'd rather go smaller or pay a little more to get better quality.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:36 am to mdomingue
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GAFF
Just bought one myself a little over a month ago.
Reasarch the 4 C's and see what everyone says is the "minimum". That's what I went with and it looks incredible and sparkles almost to much. Tons of great blogs out there that can walk you through it.
I think you're a little below those on some of the categories but I was looking at Ovals and I know the shape determines some of the "minimum" C's.
What are her opinions on Halos? If you get a nice halo for it go around at reputable place it can make a HUGE difference.
I was looking at Blue Nile/James Allen and was VERY close to pulling the trigger and met with a local guy who custom built it for me for almost the same price. Wouldn't change a thing.
If anything, depending on a few factors, if Halo is an option I would get the stone and get the setting somewhere a little more expensive. Settings are trivial compared to the price of the stone but $1k more on a setting can go a SUPER long way.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:49 am to mdomingue
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Haven't looked at Diamonds in a while. Still amazing that they actually still demand such a high price considering that fact that they are not nearly as rare as people may think. Plus, if I'm gonna spend $6400 dollars, I'd rather go smaller or pay a little more to get better quality.
I'm with you. My wife's ring was stolen in a burglary, so I had to shop more recently than I would have liked. Ended up with a GIA 1.51ct, VVS1, H, ideal cut round for about $8,700 on Blue Nile (got a discount for wiring the purchase funds as it was about $9,200 list; also got $87 back for purchasing through Ebates). Literally NO inclusions on the crown at all and only three tiny pinpoints on the outer edge of the pavilion....so flawless facing up and close to it on the bottom, too. It's a beautiful stone, but I couldn't touch anything like it at any retailer or custom shop. Had it appraised for our insurance coverage and it was a little over $17,000. But as I said before, it would never sell for that and certainly isn't worth it in reality.
For the record, my wife was fine with just getting something like a Groove ring and foregoing another diamond. I just wanted her to have something close to what she had before (and ended up upgrading based on a great insurance payout).
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:54 am to GAFF
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Is this a good diamond?
Ask Drew Brees
Posted on 4/19/18 at 11:51 am to jmarto1
quote:A hymen diamond?
True love is shown with a blood diamond
Posted on 4/19/18 at 12:39 pm to GAFF
Check out this stone. Similar price. Slightly smaller, but much better clarity & slightly better color. When you look at the 360 video, you don't see visible inclusions/imperfections. When you compare the GIA reports in the section where they map the inclusions, you really notice the difference in quality.
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Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:05 pm to mdomingue
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Possibly. It is also the thread where reasonable heads may suggest over $6000 on a diamond with color and clarity issues visible to the naked eye might be unwise.
I paid over $5000 for the first one I bought. Huge lesson learned when I went to pawn it after we split.
I bought my wife some diamond earrings years ago before we got married for $800. She wanted to get married after a few years of dating and really wanted a ring. I told her give me the earrings. I traded them in for the same price I bought em and paid $500 for her engagement ring. It doesnt look like a $5000 ring but she or I didnt want it to.
OP dont spend $6k on a ring. Im not saying yall will break up, just that its throwing away thousands of dollars. If she is the one, the ring dont matter.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:14 pm to Evil Little Thing
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Check out this stone. Similar price. Slightly smaller, but much better clarity & slightly better color. When you look at the 360 video, you don't see visible inclusions/imperfections. When you compare the GIA reports in the section where they map the inclusions, you really notice the difference in quality.
Definitely a BIG difference in clarity. It does score considerably lower on the HCA tool at 3.3, so won't have the same "fire" and "sparkle" as the other stone. Has a rather large table, but won't be too much of an issue as there are only two tiny pinpoints in the crown.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:15 pm to GAFF
Clarity is more than just sparkle. It really has to do with visual blemishes inside the stone. That is, low clarity stones look like there are little specks inside of them.
I consider it the most important factor. Color was what I sacrificed on, clarity rating was very high. My wife gets comments on her ring on a regular basis. I paid half of that IIRC.
Also, if you are going to drop $6k on a rock a quarter of the size of a dime, I’d like to see it in person first.
I consider it the most important factor. Color was what I sacrificed on, clarity rating was very high. My wife gets comments on her ring on a regular basis. I paid half of that IIRC.
Also, if you are going to drop $6k on a rock a quarter of the size of a dime, I’d like to see it in person first.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:21 pm to OceanMan
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Also, if you are going to drop $6k on a rock a quarter of the size of a dime, I’d like to see it in person first.
You have 30 days to inspect it, try it out in settings, etc, during which you can return it to Blue Nile for a full refund. It's a pretty awesome thing they've got going.
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I consider it the most important factor. Color was what I sacrificed on, clarity rating was very high.
I agree with this. Did the same. Sparkle is also more than just clarity. You can have two stones that are "ideal" in their cuts that have completely different sparkle, fire and scintillation. It all has to do with the angles.
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I paid half of that IIRC.
Was it GIA or AGS certified? Nothing wrong with it if not, but it's a big factor in pricing and some people want that sort of documentation, laser inscribed serial number, etc.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:30 pm to deltaland
quote:and a decent resale value
At least trucks have a purpose
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:26 pm to GAFF
Better than 50% of marriages end in divorce, watch Houston craigslist and offer 70% of asking for something that is already a good deal, then take it and have it re-plated so it looks brand new.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 2:29 pm to S1C EM
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Was it GIA or AGS certified? Nothing wrong with it if not, but it's a big factor in pricing and some people want that sort of documentation, laser inscribed serial number, etc.
It was AGS I believe (whatever the #2 one is). Mine was also smaller, 1 carat but I put it on a solitaire.
I’m not saying his is a bad deal just saying you can buy a nice stone at a much better price.
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You have 30 days to inspect it, try it out in settings, etc, during which you can return it to Blue Nile for a full refund. It's a pretty awesome thing they've got going.
The reason I bring it up is he seems to not know much about this. I hate for him to keep buying off the net not realizing that the description basically says it has visible imperfections. I’ve never heard anything bad about Blue Nile. I personally would just rather see the ricks side by side.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 3:51 pm to OceanMan
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It was AGS I believe (whatever the #2 one is). Mine was also smaller, 1 carat but I put it on a solitaire.
I’m not saying his is a bad deal just saying you can buy a nice stone at a much better price.
Gotcha. At a carat, I can totally see this. I was thinking you meant about the same size. It's not a lot of difference as far as appearances go, but that extra bit of size is going to obviously make up some of that difference.
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I personally would just rather see the ricks side by side.
Understood and I certainly don't blame you. I've only bought from them once (and hopefully never will again), but it was a good experience. The folks who did my appraisal (a very well-regarded custom jeweler) originally told me they do not appraise pieces that they don't sell simply because consumers often get upset when they find out a stone isn't worth what they paid. She referred me to reach out to the seller for this service until I explained where it came from. At that point, she was comfortable with doing the appraisal based on Blue Nile's reputation. She knew right away that my appraisal shouldn't be an issue for me and that says a lot.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 5:04 pm to S1C EM
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Try to get a SI1 or VVS2. Getting an eye clean diamond over a carat is important.
This. I did tons of research for months and if you sacrifice size by a few tenths of a carrot for great clarity it'll be worth it. Clarity and cut make much more of a difference than size IMO. Those 2 things is what will make it sparkle and catch the eye in daylight or indoors.
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