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re: Ellen wants to make you think he's all about love, diversity, and inclusion

Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:34 am to
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:34 am to
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Can someone not believe it's a lifestyle choice? It's never been proven that people are born gay.



I can't imagine someone choosing to make their life more difficult. AND take it up the arse?? Not to say there aren't some fricked up people out there. I believe a truly gay person (guy in this example) knows about the same time boys stop thinking girls are icky. A gay kid knows they are confused and different.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112616 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:35 am to
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do people choose to become pedophiliacs? cause that disgusts me too.
I actually heard that there's ton of evidence to suggest that those urges aren't exactly choices either.

There was an article I read way back when talking about people out there that basically hate themselves for being attracted to children and fighting off the urges so as not to commit the crime because they know it's wrong. Wouldn't those people be much better off to just choose to NOT be attracted to children?

And fwiw, much like the gay argument, whether pedophilia is a choice or not is totally irrelevant. Once you commit the heinous act, you deserve all he punishment coming your way.
Posted by WaltTeevens
Santa Barbara, CA
Member since Dec 2013
11516 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:35 am to
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A dude that willingly holds another dudes dick in his mouth is def not like me.
Sorry


You're one of those dudes that calls women sluts if they frick someone besides you, ain't ya?
Posted by cas4t
Member since Jan 2010
71884 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:38 am to
Religion and logic are antonyms IMO
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
7109 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:41 am to
Did I attack a specific poster? If so, youre right and that's my bad.

Intended to attack a position, a position that some posters justify with their religious beliefs.

Admittedly, I find that position exceedingly ignorant. If that hits too close to home for you or others, meh, maybe some introspection and deep contemplation as to why one thinks/feels the way that one does is in order.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 11:44 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112616 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:45 am to
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Intended to attack a position, a position that some posters justify with their religious beliefs.

Admittedly, I find that position exceedingly ignorant
The old position where they choose which parts of the bible to follow and castigate others for not following those parts, all the while knowingly choosing to not follow other parts.

That really grinds my gears.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112616 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:47 am to
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Haven't seen the clip but I don't think this is "homophobic".

I think calling it perverted and an embarrassment can be argued to fit the mold:

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Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT).[1][2][3] It has been defined as contempt, prejudice, aversion, hatred or antipathy, may be based on irrational fear, and is often related to religious beliefs.[
Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
5104 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:47 am to
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but the fact that you actually believe that the majority of gay folks would choose that as a "lifestyle" makes me feel sorry for the future of your undoubtedly dumb children


Says the "tolerant" pro gay ilk! Don't judge others but let me judge your kids!
Posted by stampman
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
5104 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:51 am to
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I have first hand experience when it comes to the difficulties a regular, red-blooded, sports-loving, cool American dude, who happens to be gay,


Obviously you do have "first hand experiences"! You'd fit in good at Texas A&M!
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84337 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:53 am to
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Religion and logic are antonyms IMO



I disagree. You'll see different definitions of logic, but really it's the search of truth. Logic and religion aren't necessarily opposites in that respect, but just take different approaches.

Take St. Thomas Aquinas. St. Thomas Aquinas wanted to "lighten up" the theology of St. Augustine. St. Augustine believed that reasoning and logic were tools to thwart the authority of God. You had to be careful because the more you reasoned and tried to filter things through your mind, the more likely you were to commit pride (substituting God's judgment for that of your own).

St. Aquinas thought that was way too harsh. So, he came up with the theory of Natural Law. St. Aquinas postulated that there were 4 types of laws:

1. Eternal Law (Mind of God kind of stuff. Only God knows this stuff).

2. Divine Law (that part of Eternal Law that human beings can access through FAITH).

3. Natural Law (that part of Eternal Law that human beings can access through REASON).

4. Law of Man (Stop at stop signs, pay your taxes, put a leash on your dog, etc.)

Now, take murder. If you ask a religious person why you shouldn't commit murder, they would say, "Because the 10 Commandments forbids it."

Now, what of the atheist? He has no God (or gods). Is he doomed to be a murderous, lawless person? Hardly. Using reason, the atheist would say, "Well, if we didn't outlaw murder, I'm pretty sure everyone on Earth would be dead by Tuesday."

They come to similar conclusions, but for different reasons. They believe in the same truth, but for different reasons.

That's why I disagree with your statement.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 12:03 pm
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
7109 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:54 am to
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All view points aside, you seem like a gigantic tool. And you're a gump


Sweeping judgement based on CFB fandom and/or geography, and who's the tool?

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Forgive me for ignoring your posts from now on.


How ever will I cope with such a loss
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
84337 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:55 am to
We've allowed changing attitudes to change the idea. A phobia is an irrational fear. Is every anti-gay stance irrational?
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
73117 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:56 am to
I don't really like Ellen's show, though it is nice seeing a Jefferson parish person go so far. I do not have a problem with her decision.
Using the bible to cover up racism anti-gay sentiment is wrong. Jesus loved all, the end.
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
7109 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 11:57 am to
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St. Thomas postulated that there were 4 types of laws...


Skrong post, Sabi

Good on you
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29694 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:03 pm to
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I can't imagine someone choosing to make their life more difficult


Like choosing to live the gothic lifestyle knowing people will make fun of you and look at you differently?

people have been doing things for decades that make their life more difficult. We are getting better as a society accepting those decisions from others and not out casting them for those decisions like we have in the past.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294343 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:05 pm to
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Grow up, expand your horizons a bit. The world is bigger than


Says the gay basher


Some of you need pictures, DC onto you? Link to gay bashing on my part.

The problem with you low information types, assumption based on personal bias.
This post was edited on 1/4/17 at 12:08 pm
Posted by CrimsonTideMD
Member since Dec 2010
7109 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:15 pm to
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A phobia is an irrational fear. Is every anti-gay stance irrational?


The definition he posted said "may be based on irrational fear"

Nonetheless, without wandering too far into "arguments from reason", my answer to your question is yes.

Inasmuch as any stance against someone for being left-handed, black, deaf, libertarian, color blind, etc is irrational; every anti-gay stance is irrational.
Posted by LSU alum wannabe
Katy, TX
Member since Jan 2004
27569 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:15 pm to
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Like choosing to live the gothic lifestyle knowing people will make fun of you and look at you differently?



One is a youthful phase and music and wardrobe choice. The other is a way to live your life and satisfy a most basic need? Entirely different species.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29694 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:21 pm to
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The other is a way to live your life and satisfy a most basic need?


What is that basic need?
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34855 posts
Posted on 1/4/17 at 12:23 pm to
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I don't get the appeal of Ellen. She is annoying as hell.



Come on free, you're one of the few posters here that I would think has at least a little bit of intelligence.. you should know the answer to this

She's a lesbian woman - that's her appeal
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