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re: EDIT: Should employees be allowed unpaid leave if their work is covered?

Posted on 3/11/16 at 6:47 am to
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
91667 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 6:47 am to
Just think about what you said. If a company can manage just fine without you, you are expendable.
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
13169 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 6:49 am to
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f I have some one put in for vacation while I am interviewing them they probably won't be getting the job. You have to put your time in first.


if it's available to them, they should be able to use it
Posted by ctiger69
Member since May 2005
31030 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 6:52 am to
I get 6 weeks paid vacation starting at the new year every year. It does not carry over and they will not cash me out at the end of a year. Use it or lose it. I can use any of it at any date I want.


I'm planning on taking the entire month of July off for a vacation trip. Yes, this is a humble brag.
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 6:54 am to
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A lot of companies make you wait a year before earning vacation


Every place I've ever worked at has been this way. Not to mention the free OT hours I put in, plus weekend work and holiday work.

Do I think it's fair? Not a chance in hell. Do I do what I need to do as far as taking time off, you betcha.

The way I look at it is if I'm going to be working 10+ hour days, 7 days a week from April until October, you best believe there will be some serious frick off time during November-March.
Posted by MadDoggyStyle
Member since Feb 2012
3857 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 6:57 am to
The original discussion was concerning earning vacation days before a person can actually use them. New hires haven't proven themselves but a person that you have hired away from a competitor is in a different class altogether. It's really not that hard to understand. For that matter, do you ask for your pay up front before working for a week?
Posted by ThatMakesSense
Fort Lauderdale
Member since Aug 2015
15281 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:10 am to
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New hires haven't proven themselves but a person that you have hired away from a competitor is in a different class altogether


There's only bad bosses in the World. This statement says more about your managerial skill-set than it does about your new hires being green.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
30208 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:14 am to
I give my hourly guys paid vacation after the 90 day probation period. My salary and commission guys don't have a set vacation allotment. Take what you need and get your job done. I let my hourly guys take off more than their paid time if they want, but it's unpaid and and I prefer a heads up so I can schedule around it.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40807 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:23 am to
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I asked my boss of one of my first jobs about unpaid leave. He said that if there was ever a day where they managed without me to not even bother coming back.

I've never asked about or taken unpaid leave since.


What a shitty job
Posted by MadDoggyStyle
Member since Feb 2012
3857 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:30 am to
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There's only bad bosses in the World.


At first I thought it was a sarcasm, but now I'm sure this might be the dumbest post I've ever read here, and that's saying a lot.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 7:30 am
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37481 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:32 am to
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Great employee, been here 10 years, but I had to decline as PTO is given based on business need


It's your responsibility as a manager to have backups in place, if I'm in the situation of the person you're writing about I'm starting to look for jobs elsewhere. But, I'm pretty marketable, I'm not sure how marketable your employee is.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13231 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:35 am to
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should be entitled
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prior to earning it?


Um, no?

Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15173 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:37 am to
Let's say you are hiring for a position. You have two equally qualified applicants. One states during the interview, that they have a vacation planned within the next few months. Who do you think is going to get the job?

Same scenario, but one is an obviously, 6 months pregnant woman.......

My point is, maybe you shouldn't be looking to change jobs, if you've got immediate plans.
Posted by Breesus
Unplug
Member since Jan 2010
69549 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:39 am to
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Let's say you are hiring for a position. You have two equally qualified applicants.


Unless the job is very low or mindless, this is basically impossible in my experience. They might look equal on paper, but if neither stood out stronger than the other in the interview, I'd keep looking for one who can.
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 7:40 am
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
40807 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:43 am to
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Apart from money, time off is the most important factor for employees.


With my first job I would have taken less pay for more time off. I hate going 6 months with out a day off

quote:

My point is, maybe you shouldn't be looking to change jobs, if you've got immediate plans.


It would have to be really tight to for a day or two for a wedding to make a difference
This post was edited on 3/11/16 at 7:50 am
Posted by Fight4LSU
Kenner
Member since Jul 2005
10075 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:44 am to
Depends on the situation. I'm sure in certain situations an exception can be done, like if a person starts a new job and is getting married in 3 months.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37481 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:45 am to
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Same scenario, but one is an obviously, 6 months pregnant woman.......


You looking to get sued or what?

Also, they aren't equal and if you can't determine that, then you probably shouldn't be in the position to hire people.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37481 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:49 am to
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Do you work for LAuberge?


I think he works in IS, possibly Healthcare IS. If so, I hope he isn't dealing with certified individuals, because they typically won't put up with that shite and are highly valuable.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
15173 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:52 am to
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You looking to get sued or what?


Nope, but I do live in the real world.

Entry level jobs, often get equally qualified applicants.
Posted by Panny Crickets
Fort Worth, TX
Member since Sep 2008
5596 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:53 am to
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You will end up hiring those who aren't as talented and likely will wind up having to spend time and resources (AKA money) on replacements at a much higher rate...


Forest-------->trees
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 3/11/16 at 7:56 am to
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Every place I've ever worked at has been this way. Not to mention the free OT hours I put in, plus weekend work and holiday work.

Do I think it's fair? Not a chance in hell. Do I do what I need to do as far as taking time off, you betcha.

The way I look at it is if I'm going to be working 10+ hour days, 7 days a week from April until October, you best believe there will be some serious frick off time during November-March.


If you are over the age of 25 and have worked at multiple places where they don't offer you time off over a year, then you are a fool, a sucker, and someone with no discernible skills. Their competition should offer these things, and anyone with half a brain will go to those companies every single time. This speaks very poorly for yourself as an employee that you can't negotiate time off.
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