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re: EDIT: Should employees be allowed unpaid leave if their work is covered?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:53 pm to MadDoggyStyle
Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:53 pm to MadDoggyStyle
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Exactly, most reasonable college grads with good STEM degrees are willing to work a year with no vacation. Their first year is learning and training, and add very little, if any value to the company and meanwhile get good benefits, pay and actually learning a skill they would not get elsewhere.
Want to know how many people of my class of 30 or so civil engineers took a job with no vacation?
0. Hell even the state or the federal govt gives their employees vacation in the first year. Consulting firms definitely give vacation. Those who didn't work in either of the above either went to grad school for law or changed fields entirely.
If you are hiring engineers it's because they don't want to do the field of engineering they were educated for. Equating hiring engineers to do a job unrelated to their education and the actual engineering industry hiring engineers is not the same thing. Clearly one offers better benefits than the other.
Your assertion is wrong that reasonable engineers out of school will gladly work for no vacation. That essentially makes their education important in name only. It becomes a bragging point for you that you hire despondent STEM grads that don't want to do STEM.
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Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:56 pm to MadDoggyStyle
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most reasonable college grads with good STEM degrees are willing to work a year with no vacation.
This is bullshite.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 1:59 pm to MadDoggyStyle
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Exactly, most reasonable college grads with good STEM degrees are willing to work a year with no vacation. Their first year is learning and training, and add very little, if any value to the company and meanwhile get good benefits, pay and actually learning a skill they would not get elsewhere.
Well, now that you've confirmed they do nothing for the company the first year, why is it such a big deal that they don't get 2 weeks off? If they had a day or two off, would that hurt or likely help? All studies indicate the later. I would bet serious cash they'd learn more if you gave them time off instead of forcing them to be there at all times. Why not give it a go?
Posted on 3/11/16 at 2:00 pm to NYNolaguy1
Most STEM grads we hire have experience and as I've stated already, if they have experience, they get vacation day one. We hire some business grads with no prior experience to do non-technical work and they are required to work a year and accrue their vacation in advance. 1 Day for each month worked. We also hire some non-STEM grads with experience and they also get vacation day 1 as part of their compensation. They are usually highly trained in a certain field and compensated very well with good benefits too. The new guys have to prove themselves. Tragic I know.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 2:02 pm to MadDoggyStyle
Didn't take you very long to crawfish.
Posted on 3/11/16 at 2:07 pm to LNCHBOX
crawfish? I've always stated that our new hires from college don't get vacation the first year. If that's crawfishing, then so be it. You obviously have it all figured out. Good day to you!
Posted on 3/11/16 at 2:08 pm to OMLandshark
You would not get vacation the first five years and like it. 
Posted on 3/11/16 at 2:10 pm to MadDoggyStyle
If like for you to provide some data to backup your claim that most STEM grads would be happy working with zero vacation year one. Because I have a fairly large network of classmates and colleagues that would beg to differ.
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