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Edgewood Arsenal...one of the most bizarre bases in US military history.

Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:01 pm
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
12481 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:01 pm
In the post-war years from the late 40s to the mid 70s, the US Army experimented with drugs on its own soldiers. Some being nerve agents, others being hallucinogens in order to obtain knowledge of how they worked, how to use them potentially in battle, and how, if anyway they could be fought off if used against us. They used coercion on the soldiers in various ways to get them to go to the base; and never told them what was being administered to them.

Van Murray Sim headed up the research. And he was, to put it bluntly, a fricking character. He made it a point to test out every psychedelic drug that he used before testing the soldiers. He would slip people LSD and other psychedelics in people's drinks, did it to an entire cocktail party, and one time did it to the entire water supply of the base. People described him as a Dr. Strangelove type of character. He did LSD many, many times...loved the shite. He kept vials upon vials of Demerol with him at all times and habitually used it. Sim once mixed a milligram of crystallized psilocybin with water and drank it as if it were lemonade. He saw people nearby turn sickly green. “I feel very light, almost weightless,” he pronounced. “And, for me, that’s quite a trick.”

A list of the drugs used on the soldiers, workers, and Sim himself:

EA 1152 - Diisopropyl fluorophosphate (DFP)
EA 1205 - Tabun (GA)
EA 1208 - Sarin (GB)
EA-1209 - Ethylsarin (GE)
EA 1210 - Soman (GD)
EA-1211 - GH
EA 1212 - Cyclosarin (GF)
EA 1221 - O-isopentyl sarin
EA 1255 - S-butyl sarin
EA 1285 - Tetraethyl pyrophosphate (TEPP)
EA 1298 - Methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA), an analogue and active metabolite of MDMA
EA 1464 - A quaternary ammonium carbamate nerve agent[23]
EA 1473 - A quaternary ammonium carbamate nerve agent[24]
EA 1475 - Methylenedioxymethamphetamine
EA 1476 - A dimethylheptylpyran variant ("red oil")
EA 1508 - VG
EA 1517 - VE
EA 1653 - LSD in tartrate form[25]
EA 1664 - Edemo (VM)
EA 1677 - VS, a "V-series" nerve agent
EA 1701 - VX
EA 1729 - LSD in free base form
EA 2092 - Benactyzine
EA 2148-A - Phencyclidine (PCP)[26]
EA 2233 - A dimethylheptylpyran variant
Eight individual isomers numbered EA-2233-1 through EA-2233-8
EA 2277 - BZ ("Substance 78" to Soviets)
EA 3209 - A bis-quaternary ammonium phosphonate nerve agent
EA 3148 - A "V-series" nerve agent, Cyclopentyl S-2-diethylaminoethyl methylphosphonothiolate ("Substance 100A" to Soviets)
EA 3167 - A BZ variant
EA 3443 - A BZ variant
EA 3528 - LSD in maleate form
EA 3580 - A BZ variant
EA 3669 - EA-1464 oxalate salt[23]
EA 3828 - A bis-choline carbamate nerve agent
EA 3834 - A BZ variant
EA 3990 - A bis-quaternary carbamate nerve agent
EA 4941 - Etonitazene (free base)
EA 5365 - GV
EA 5366 - GV methylated
EA 5482 - bis-Bobbitt amonium linked carbamate nerve agent
EA 5823 - Sarin (GB) as a binary agent from mixing OPA (isopropyl alcohol+isopropyl amine) + DF

Vice article on it

Wiki

New Yorker article on it

Army acid test

Bad Trip to Edgewood. Lots of footage from the base

However, the best description of events from Edgewood is on Last Podcast on the Left. They do a series on it and it's incredibly informative and the guys do a helluva job of bringing levity to the situation.

Part One

Part 2
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 4:10 pm
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
129898 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:11 pm to
quote:

Van Murray Sim headed up the research. And he was, to put it bluntly, a fricking character. He made it a point to test out every psychedelic drug that he used before testing the soldiers. He would slip people LSD and other psychedelics in people's drinks, did it to an entire cocktail party, and one time did it to the entire water supply of the base. People described him as a Dr. Strangelove type of character. He did LSD many, many times...loved the shite. He kept vials upon vials of Demerol with him at all times and habitually used it. Sim once mixed a milligram of crystallized psilocybin with water and drank it as if it were lemonade. He saw people nearby turn sickly green. “I feel very light, almost weightless,” he pronounced. “And, for me, that’s quite a trick.”



I’d party with this dude
Posted by Loup
Ferriday
Member since Apr 2019
14136 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

However, the best description of events from Edgewood is on Last Podcast on the Left.


Hell yeah. I'm going to listen to this while driving to the family thanksgiving. It'll give me something to talk about at dinner.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
14963 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:29 pm to
I’ve been to Edgewood. Definitely has an eerie vibe to it
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
51335 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:30 pm to
I have been on the grounds of Edgewood Arsenal, but, never inside the fenced-in compound.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 4:32 pm to
quote:


I’d party with this dude



Yep
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 5:01 pm to
There was a retired Army Lt Col, that had a PhD in psychology or something similar, taught at LSU in the early 80s, seems like his name was Brown. He had been heavily involved in the Army’s experiments with mind altering chemicals.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 5:18 pm to
Wait a fricking second. They're claiming he tried VX on people/himself?
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 5:19 pm
Posted by martiansgohome
Ankara
Member since Feb 2004
4670 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 5:27 pm to
Holy sh*t. I live a few miles from that base and never knew this.
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