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re: EBRP Deputy shot on O'Neal lane.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 2:44 pm to SeeeeK
Posted on 3/20/17 at 2:44 pm to SeeeeK
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A lot of politics in DA offices and they plea down like crazy to get that conviction on their books.
Maybe now would be a good time for all those involved in pleading him down to come forward and explain their actions. Judges and ADA's could let everybody know why he was not in prison and what their actions were in making it so.
Then they can, out of their own pockets, fund the lives of his family. Their first step should be publicly taking responsibility for the death of this Deputy.
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Posted on 3/20/17 at 2:45 pm to Hangit
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Their first step should be publicly taking responsibility
Only one person is RESPONSIBLE for this. Keep that part straight because it gets lost in these situations. Especially when the race baiters start their shtick.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 2:47 pm to SeeeeK
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Liberal DA offices and Judges are the ruin.
People/criminals are the ruin.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:21 pm to jbgleason
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Only one person is RESPONSIBLE for this.
You are somewhat correct. Each person is ultimately responsible for his/her actions. Sometimes though, a person shows the lack of ability to make proper decisions and do the right things.
In these situations, a system has been set up to curb their ability to make bad decisions. If the individual has a history of repeated bad decisions, his/her right to make any decisions is taken away from them.
Undercharging him has prevented the system from working. Plea bargaining to get a better conviction percentage skirted the reason for having a system. Those operating the system failed which caused a good man to lose his life.
Those who failed should now be forced to look his family in the eye and explain how they failed. They can also work harder to support two families. Their own and the one that their actions left without a provider.
frick them and their little percentages game.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 3:28 pm to OweO
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Serious question. Jails in Louisiana are filled to capacity. Who are filling up these jails and why are people like this waste of sperm put back on the streets?
Too many people in there for weed charges. I'd bet you could open up a couple dozen beds at any prison.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 4:36 pm to dgnx6
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Too many people in there for weed charges
THis, and i'm not a pro-weed guy.
We had some guy who was busted 3 times for drugs(no gun or guns involved), and since it was his 3rd strike, he was doing LIFE in jail.
Governor pardoned him.
They fill the jails with Tyrone,John Boy, and Jose, to make money for the prison owners, who then line the people who make the laws pockets.
Which is why weed will never be legal, 50 state wide. Prisons wouldn't be needed in the way they do now and these prison owners would be losing a ton of $$$, which will not grease politicians pockets.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 6:18 pm to Hangit
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In these situations, a system has been set up to curb their ability to make bad decisions. If the individual has a history of repeated bad decisions, his/her right to make any decisions is taken away from them.
If only it was that simple & uncomplicated; it is not.
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Undercharging him has prevented the system from working. Plea bargaining to get a better conviction percentage skirted the reason for having a system. Those operating the system failed which caused a good man to lose his life.
Those who failed should now be forced to look his family in the eye and explain how they failed. They can also work harder to support two families. Their own and the one that their actions left without a provider.
I have no idea the specifics of his prior cases -- if he was "undercharged" & why there was a plea accepted in his prior case(s) -- but if you know the accurate circumstances of all that, especially the prosecution's evidentiary details as far as what evidence they actually had versus what was going to be judged admissible at trial, what credible cooperative witnesses they did or did not have, etc., I'd be interested to know.
Politics are absolutely involved in any DA's office; the position of DA is largely a political one, but to just assume that all pleas & deals of that office with the accused are a result of politics & attempting to pad successful conviction records is much too simplistic of an explanation & is basically just inaccurate.
No doubt prosecutors want to win their cases; no one wants to lose, but for the vast majority of prosecutors, their motivation is not political nor some sort of ego trip. It is to convict the correct people responsible for the crimes, to get a fitting & deserved sentence for the crimes, hopefully so as to prevent the perpetrators from repeating their offenses, and to get justice for the victims & their families, particularly in violent crimes cases.
Although it seems unfair when reading/hearing in the media, after the fact, about deals made with pieces of shite and/or charges reduced, especially if said POS offends again or commits a more serious crime, and that perhaps those crimes could have been avoided had he received a stiffer sentence, usually there is a legitimate, albeit unfortunate & undesirable reason for the "light" sentence and/or reduced charges. Generally, prosecutors are not going to risk an acquittal of a known violent POS criminal in lieu of a felony conviction, even if it's a lesser degree than desired & deserved, and at least some prison time when their cases are mostly circumstantial; they have sketchy, unreliable witnesses with credibility issues; their forensics are lacking; their 'expert' witness testimony will basically be a wash due to 'expert' defense witnesses in battle of the 'experts;' they have a jury sympathetic to the 'plight' of the accused who will look for any excuse to acquit, no matter how minute & nonsensical & who do not have so much 'love' for law enforcement/prosecutors/judicial system; and have a judge whose evidentiary & overall pro-defense/pro-defendant rulings make it extremely difficult for a successful prosecution. I believe I read that one of this deviant thug's victims was a 10-yr-old girl. I wouldn't be surprised if her age & the trauma of a trial, even in closed court or chambers, played a part in any plea regarding that case, but don't know specifics, so can't say for sure.
I have no idea if any of this was the case with this particular POS's prior experience(s) with the judicial system, but I would bet these are some of the reasons for the plea(s) & reduced charges rather than the prosecutors' desire to pad their 'win record' or for political concerns in re the DA. I saw someone comment who was wondering if the judges who accepted light pleas & gave light sentences to this criminal in his prior cases were regretting their actions after his murder of the officer; I doubt it, but I don't doubt the prosecutors previously involved are sick about it.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 6:54 pm to Arkla Missy
This has so many sides/angles to it.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 6:57 pm to Ole Geauxt
Yep, serious issues; I'm sure you're aware.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 6:58 pm to Arkla Missy
Not really? My sources are semi-mum.
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 6:59 pm to Ole Geauxt
Yes you are, jeez 
... Hopefully resolved this pm/tomorrow am.
... Hopefully resolved this pm/tomorrow am.Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:00 pm to Arkla Missy
Ohhhh, you better get on the stick! I need info, fast!
This post was edited on 3/20/17 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:05 pm to Hangit
quote:Your previous post and all this is spot on.
You are somewhat correct. Each person is ultimately responsible for his/her actions. Sometimes though, a person shows the lack of ability to make proper decisions and do the right things.
In these situations, a system has been set up to curb their ability to make bad decisions. If the individual has a history of repeated bad decisions, his/her right to make any decisions is taken away from them.
Undercharging him has prevented the system from working. Plea bargaining to get a better conviction percentage skirted the reason for having a system. Those operating the system failed which caused a good man to lose his life.
Those who failed should now be forced to look his family in the eye and explain how they failed. They can also work harder to support two families. Their own and the one that their actions left without a provider.
frick them and their little percentages game.
People don't realize how shitty our system really is, because they've never had to deal with it...it's all about numbers. The two main numbers are convictions and money.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:07 pm to SeeeeK
quote:Amen...and that's not including the robbery aka commissary or "stoe".
They fill the jails with Tyrone,John Boy, and Jose, to make money for the prison owners, who then line the people who make the laws pockets.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:10 pm to Arkla Missy
Arrested for 2 counts of attempted second degree murder. Pled down to aggravated battery. Sentenced to 13 months.
Arrested for indecent behavior with a juvenile. pled down to Inciting a Felony.
A federal judge sentenced Wiley to two years in prison following a PLEA AGREEMENT on a count of illegally possessing a firearm as a convicted felon, according to online federal court documents.
They were questioning him about his forcible rape of a teen.
He was involved in ripping off FEMA.
These were mentioned and there are probably more in his past. How much evidence do we need that a career criminal is a career criminal before we stop letting him out and pleaing him down.
Does he have enough victims now that the deputy is dead or should he plead to Talking back to a deputy for this one?
Put him down, like the rabid dog he is. Don't wait 20 years. Do it with the quickness.
Arrested for indecent behavior with a juvenile. pled down to Inciting a Felony.
A federal judge sentenced Wiley to two years in prison following a PLEA AGREEMENT on a count of illegally possessing a firearm as a convicted felon, according to online federal court documents.
They were questioning him about his forcible rape of a teen.
He was involved in ripping off FEMA.
These were mentioned and there are probably more in his past. How much evidence do we need that a career criminal is a career criminal before we stop letting him out and pleaing him down.
Does he have enough victims now that the deputy is dead or should he plead to Talking back to a deputy for this one?
Put him down, like the rabid dog he is. Don't wait 20 years. Do it with the quickness.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 7:28 pm to Hangit
Am I missing all the folks responses disagreeing to those stat facts? But, hangin' is still my choice. Sell popcorn, lemonade and orange soda, line up recipients of party for next week. Keep admission free. I feel that testosterone and stupidity levels would slowly decrease, imo.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 8:55 pm to Hangit
I'm not disputing any of that. I realize there were pleas & reduced charges in those prior cases. I'm asking you if you know the specifics of the circumstances as to WHY there was a need for those pleas & reduced charges, rather than the standard pat & most of the time incorrect & inaccurate assumption that prosecutors were padding their conviction records & the DA wanted convictions by any means due to political reasons, regardless of the seriousness of the crimes. If you do know the circumstances surrounding the plea deals & reduced charges & have factual information concerning WHY there was a need for them such as those I described in my previous post, which are the most common reasons for deals & reduced charges, please elaborate.
As I said earlier, the prosecution has to go to trial with the evidence they've been given through the investigation, and if the case they've got is as good as it's going to get, even though it might be lacking in direct evidence (forensics), is mostly circumstantial which leaves room for a jury to hang their hat on 'reasonable' doubt if they're so inclined; has not so great witnesses due to credibility issues (most witnesses in these cases do not come from the convent or monastery & many have criminal records themselves & are proven liars); has a jury which is generally sympathetic to defendants & is anti-law enforcement/judicial system; and/or has a liberal judge who sides with the defense in every ruling, particularly in evidentiary matters which many times negates some of the prosecution's best evidence because the judge deems it inadmissible due to whatever technicality can be applied, "prejudicial" being a popular one, the DA/prosecutors many times decide it's better to at least get a felony conviction & prison sentence through a plea deal rather than take the chance of an acquittal, in which case there is no trying the perpetrator again.
Prosecutors only have one shot at trial, so if there was no plea bargaining, there would be a shite ton more serious violent criminals on the street. Most of the time, prosecutors must go with the shitty option of having to deal to be ensured of any conviction & prison sentence at all. No doubt, it is an undesirable option to allow criminals to plea to lesser charges with lighter sentences than are deserved/warranted, but if it is a choice between that & the criminal getting a walk, which is more likely these days than at any other time in judicial history due to many factors, one being juries these days practically demanding irrefutable DNA & video evidence, the prosecutors have to go with the lesser of two evils & make the deal, as shitty of an option it may be.
My point is that the vast majority of DA's offices & prosecutors make these decisions due to necessity, not as an attempt to gain more convictions at any cost due to politics. Prosecutors are the "voice" & advocates for the victims of violent crimes & their families; most of them don't take that lightly & try to get as much 'justice' for them as possible. And most of the time, particularly in violent crimes, if there is a plea, it is explained to the victims and/or their families whose opinions are taken into account when making the decision.
As I said earlier, the prosecution has to go to trial with the evidence they've been given through the investigation, and if the case they've got is as good as it's going to get, even though it might be lacking in direct evidence (forensics), is mostly circumstantial which leaves room for a jury to hang their hat on 'reasonable' doubt if they're so inclined; has not so great witnesses due to credibility issues (most witnesses in these cases do not come from the convent or monastery & many have criminal records themselves & are proven liars); has a jury which is generally sympathetic to defendants & is anti-law enforcement/judicial system; and/or has a liberal judge who sides with the defense in every ruling, particularly in evidentiary matters which many times negates some of the prosecution's best evidence because the judge deems it inadmissible due to whatever technicality can be applied, "prejudicial" being a popular one, the DA/prosecutors many times decide it's better to at least get a felony conviction & prison sentence through a plea deal rather than take the chance of an acquittal, in which case there is no trying the perpetrator again.
Prosecutors only have one shot at trial, so if there was no plea bargaining, there would be a shite ton more serious violent criminals on the street. Most of the time, prosecutors must go with the shitty option of having to deal to be ensured of any conviction & prison sentence at all. No doubt, it is an undesirable option to allow criminals to plea to lesser charges with lighter sentences than are deserved/warranted, but if it is a choice between that & the criminal getting a walk, which is more likely these days than at any other time in judicial history due to many factors, one being juries these days practically demanding irrefutable DNA & video evidence, the prosecutors have to go with the lesser of two evils & make the deal, as shitty of an option it may be.
My point is that the vast majority of DA's offices & prosecutors make these decisions due to necessity, not as an attempt to gain more convictions at any cost due to politics. Prosecutors are the "voice" & advocates for the victims of violent crimes & their families; most of them don't take that lightly & try to get as much 'justice' for them as possible. And most of the time, particularly in violent crimes, if there is a plea, it is explained to the victims and/or their families whose opinions are taken into account when making the decision.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:19 pm to Arkla Missy
I do not know the specifics of why they did not do their jobs.
I do know that in his conviction for aggravated battery he shot two people and was pled down from two attempted murder charges.
I also know what he did to the 10 year old girl that he pled down to Inciting a felony for.
He also pled down in federal court for a convict with a gun and was given two years.
For each crime there was plenty of witnesses or evidence to go after him strong. They conveniently went weak.
It is time for all the coddling and light punishment to end. Obviously, a short stint in prison is not a deterrent. If the punishment is strong enough to create fear of committing a crime they will stop.
I speed a lot. If I knew they would kill me for it I would slow down.
I do know that in his conviction for aggravated battery he shot two people and was pled down from two attempted murder charges.
I also know what he did to the 10 year old girl that he pled down to Inciting a felony for.
He also pled down in federal court for a convict with a gun and was given two years.
For each crime there was plenty of witnesses or evidence to go after him strong. They conveniently went weak.
It is time for all the coddling and light punishment to end. Obviously, a short stint in prison is not a deterrent. If the punishment is strong enough to create fear of committing a crime they will stop.
I speed a lot. If I knew they would kill me for it I would slow down.
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:20 pm to aVatiger
can we just get a sticky for the daily BR shootings?
Posted on 3/20/17 at 9:44 pm to dallastiger55
Any body know why this guy has not been charged with murder? Is it odd that he was booked on charges that the officer was investigating, but paper said he hasn't been charged with murder due to pending investigation. Since when do they wait to file charges until an investigation has been conducted?
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