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re: EBR Area School Grades Released - EBRPS Lags
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:35 am to Sprocket46
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:35 am to Sprocket46
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Even the letter grade of "C" for EBRPSS is misleading. Schools that have been placed in the RSD no longer count towards the system's overall grade. It was 7 schools last year.
And people wonder why St.Georgians want their own district
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Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:45 am to Solicitor
quote:And you would be wrong. But it's good to know you're obsessing over me......
I'm sure if St. George makes it and establishes a school district, people like LSURussian will spread rumors like that.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:45 am to sec13rowBBseat28
quote:This is news to me. When was this supposed to be released?
What ever happened with the EBRPSS cheating scandal?
Posted on 10/22/14 at 10:54 am to sec13rowBBseat28
They made audit teams to make sure it won't happen again. 
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 10:55 am
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:17 am to LSURussian
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But it's good to know you're obsessing over me
Your narcissism knows no bounds. 
Posted on 10/22/14 at 11:41 am to ell_13
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Your narcissism knows no bounds.
You have no idea...
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:19 pm to ell_13
Whats hilarious is that there hasn't been a peep from the Better Together guys about these results, and when I questioned them about it on Facebook last night my comment was deleted and account blocked even though I said absolutely nothing vulgar or insulting. God forbid if they actually answer the pressing questions that will be brought up in a few weeks anyway to a St. George voter.
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 12:22 pm
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:24 pm to LSUGrad9295
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I have heard rumblings that the Zachary people have been cheating on the standardized tests by going back and changing kids answers to inflate their score…and that the Zachary school system isn't as squeaky clean as they are made out to be…..anyone else hear this?
As a coach in LP I can tell you I haven't seen it. Very frustrating year in and year out when kids are academically ineligible
We have tutor programs set up within our own team and literally dismiss kids from practice so they may study together
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:39 pm to KBeezy
i am for going back to teaching the basics. Each kid learns differently and you lose young men's attention in middle and high school when they discover girls. A majority of Girls like fashion and stars. We need to learn to teach around these distractions.
What are schools in better districts doing?
I would rather teach kids the basics and give them options as electives that may appeal to them. If kid likes auto tech work and cars yes it would be an elective taught by real techs coming on every blue moon to work with instructors. Same thing for other electives.
They still got to learn reading, writing, history, and science. I don't want to limit kids either to say you are only xyz when down the road he wants to be abc.
I feel we are more worried about test than actually teaching kids the fundamentals to think.
What are schools in better districts doing?
I would rather teach kids the basics and give them options as electives that may appeal to them. If kid likes auto tech work and cars yes it would be an elective taught by real techs coming on every blue moon to work with instructors. Same thing for other electives.
They still got to learn reading, writing, history, and science. I don't want to limit kids either to say you are only xyz when down the road he wants to be abc.
I feel we are more worried about test than actually teaching kids the fundamentals to think.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 12:42 pm to johnnyrocket
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What are parents in better districts doing?
FTFY
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:07 pm to Zantrix
That is because it doesn't fit their agenda of "wait, it is getting better". The "better with your money/ status quo together" folks don't wait to hear of such nonsense.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:30 pm to Zantrix
The kids in Baton Rouge's worst schools aren't suddenly going to score better if St. George has an independent school district, right? I mean EBRPSS pretty much has an impossible task considering who they are being asked to educate. Is that a fair statement, iyo?
Can you tell me the name of the individual or individuals who could educate these kids? Could he make their parents better, too? Maybe wipe out all the social pathologies that proliferate in those neighborhoods? I mean could you do that? I know I couldn't.
I'm rather amazed they got a -C- rating in fact. When you factor in the success of the Magnet schools and all those schools that got really solid scores a clearer pattern emerges. The suburban schools do better. The inner city schools in the worst neighborhoods are failing. I'm not sure that that's really fixable . You'd have to fix society first.
Can you tell me the name of the individual or individuals who could educate these kids? Could he make their parents better, too? Maybe wipe out all the social pathologies that proliferate in those neighborhoods? I mean could you do that? I know I couldn't.
I'm rather amazed they got a -C- rating in fact. When you factor in the success of the Magnet schools and all those schools that got really solid scores a clearer pattern emerges. The suburban schools do better. The inner city schools in the worst neighborhoods are failing. I'm not sure that that's really fixable . You'd have to fix society first.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:34 pm to LSUGrad9295
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I have heard rumblings that the Zachary people have been cheating on the standardized tests by going back and changing kids answers to inflate their score…and that the Zachary school system isn't as squeaky clean as they are made out to be…..anyone else hear this?
Numerous times.
BR schools do it and still can't get it right.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:40 pm to tigerbutt
I could see cheating to go from a C to a B school, but Zachary is #1 for the tenth straight year. If there was cheating, they are awesome at it.
Plus the schools are huge. It is about 400 kids per grade level.
The amount of support and ancillary options help keep all the kids on task.
Plus the schools are huge. It is about 400 kids per grade level.
The amount of support and ancillary options help keep all the kids on task.
This post was edited on 10/22/14 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:47 pm to Lsupimp
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Can you tell me the name of the individual or individuals who could educate these kids?
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:48 pm to Lsupimp
quote:well said
Lsupimp
Posted on 10/22/14 at 1:48 pm to ColdDuck
Comparing Zachary to most other school districts is comparing apples to oranges. Zachary has 1 high school and a total 7 schools in the entire district. Central is similar. Comparing individual school scores is the most telling statistic.
I do think that smaller districts are more effective than large ones.
I do think that smaller districts are more effective than large ones.
Posted on 10/22/14 at 2:04 pm to Lsupimp
Many of the "F" schools are newly formed Superintendent's Academies, where students who are at risk of not graduating (and may be a few years older than peers at their grade level) may get more help though smaller classes. At least one of the "F" schools (Arlington Prep) has an extremely high rate of special ed kids (85%).
Since these kids are already at risk of not graduating in 4 years if at all, and most probably will not go on to college, the schools they attend will never be able to get high School Performance Scores (SPS). SPS in high schools are based on graduation rates, types of degrees earned, and standardized test scores (including the ACT, which if you're not going to college, there's not a lot of motivation to score well on it anyway).
I hate to say it, but it doesn't matter what school district these kids are in, they will never be high achievers. It's hard to teach to apathy, and that's the environment where many of the lower-performing students which make up these failing schools come from. So as Lsupimp said, how do you educate them, and how can anyone do a better job at it? I guess you could try and start at the bottom when they're in kindergarten before they get lost in the system and somehow give them extra help (assuming you could identify which ones will be at risk later). But how will that help get their families to care enough to give them the tools and support necessary to succeed?
Since these kids are already at risk of not graduating in 4 years if at all, and most probably will not go on to college, the schools they attend will never be able to get high School Performance Scores (SPS). SPS in high schools are based on graduation rates, types of degrees earned, and standardized test scores (including the ACT, which if you're not going to college, there's not a lot of motivation to score well on it anyway).
I hate to say it, but it doesn't matter what school district these kids are in, they will never be high achievers. It's hard to teach to apathy, and that's the environment where many of the lower-performing students which make up these failing schools come from. So as Lsupimp said, how do you educate them, and how can anyone do a better job at it? I guess you could try and start at the bottom when they're in kindergarten before they get lost in the system and somehow give them extra help (assuming you could identify which ones will be at risk later). But how will that help get their families to care enough to give them the tools and support necessary to succeed?
Posted on 10/22/14 at 2:17 pm to Lsupimp
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The kids in Baton Rouge's worst schools aren't suddenly going to score better if St. George has an independent school district, right? I mean EBRPSS pretty much has an impossible task considering who they are being asked to educate. Is that a fair statement, iyo? Can you tell me the name of the individual or individuals who could educate these kids? Could he make their parents better, too? Maybe wipe out all the social pathologies that proliferate in those neighborhoods? I mean could you do that? I know I couldn't. I'm rather amazed they got a -C- rating in fact. When you factor in the success of the Magnet schools and all those schools that got really solid scores a clearer pattern emerges. The suburban schools do better. The inner city schools in the worst neighborhoods are failing. I'm not sure that that's really fixable . You'd have to fix society first
Parents who want their kids to learn have several options; magnet schools, bussing to better schools across town, get into a private school (voucher or pay their way) and that's it.
But what do parents at Woodlawn HS do if they want their child to be in a disciplined school (too many fights per Frontline),or a school with better than a C average?
We see schools in the suburbs at the elementary level with A and B grades which is Ok, but at Woodlawn the students perform at a C level despite a small gifted program there.
But Woodlawn isn't the only EBRSD high school serving the suburbs, so do McKinly(C grade), Tara(D) and Broadmoor(D) so if you had a child in the suburbs who wasn't in the Woodlawn attendance zone your child would go to one of these schools if they weren't qualified for a magnet type school or in a private school.
Some people also are under the fals assumption that we have neighborhood schools, we don't at the high school level when you consider the Broadmoor district runs from the Mississippi River to the Amite River, and the Tara district(which includes the Capitol RSD) runs from the Amite River around the Woodlawn district to Bayou Manchac and over to the Mississippi River. Belaire which includes area served by the Istrouma RSD from Exxon to the Amite River.
Link to school attendance zones
The issue is how can we better serve all of the kids with parents who want a quality education, but can't afford it or if they can't get in a magnet program. And how can we do that without tearing down the good schools we do have in the parish.
Back in the 60s we had a duel system based on race. We had some great school then, but we had others schools that were crap.
The Feds got involved then, and the good schools were torn down as people elected not to build up the poor schools but instead they rebelled against the Feds.
This time can we take the good, keep it good, and remove the bad elements from the schools and make all school better? That's the big question as I see it.
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