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re: East BTR Homicides YTD, we may beat the all time record!
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:01 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:01 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Which is why I'm for legalization. The drugs actually cost pennies to produce. There is no reason a government created black market should drive up the price of a cheap commodity, resulting in violence and theft.
So if you legalize heroin, Fentanyl, meth and other drugs; how do you think the addicts are going to live?
They will still have to beg, and steal to survive.
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Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:01 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Which is why I'm for legalization.
You can’t just legalize, you have to put a lot of infrastructure in place before you open the flood gates. By infrastructure, I mean, mental health facilities, addiction treatment centers, labor training centers, etc.
There really needs to be about a 5-10 year pre plan in place laying the groundwork to start decriminalizing. It takes a lot of patience and funding to do it properly. It isn’t just flipping a switch and it’s fixed.
See Portland, they decriminalized pretty much everything. It didn’t fix anything shite turned into the walking dead. Now they are walking a lot of those laws back.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:01 am to secfballfan
I’ve started googling the people who are arrested for murder/violent crime. It’s absurd how many of them were arrested for different violent crimes within the past few years and are (I guess?) out on bond or had charges dropped. Are we getting as bad as New Orleans about not prosecuting violent offenders?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:03 am to Commandeaux
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Maybe Murphy wasn't so bad.
Problems caused over the last 8 years don't magically stop when the chief is changed. Not to mention the directives come from the mayor, not the chief
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:03 am to Commandeaux
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Maybe Murphy wasn't so bad.
Yeah 3 months is plenty of time for a new Chief to fix the mayor's and old police chief's issues much less the overarching problems nationwide due to the border being wide open.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:04 am to Emteein
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decriminalized
This is not the same thing as "legalized"
It's a half-measure which doesn't work.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:05 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Which is why I'm for legalization. The drugs actually cost pennies to produce. There is no reason a government created black market should drive up the price of a cheap commodity, resulting in violence and theft.
Everything is legal in practice in places like Portland, Seattle, and SF. Those places aren't exactly model cities
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:07 am to doubleb
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So if you legalize heroin, Fentanyl, meth and other drugs; how do you think the addicts are going to live?
They will still have to beg, and steal to survive.
How many alcoholics are robbing and stealing for alcohol? Very few. Because it's cheap, legal and available.
During prohibition, the country was turned into a warzone due to a government created black market.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:09 am to upgrayedd
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Everything is legal in practice in places like Portland, Seattle, and SF. Those places aren't exactly model cities
Decriminilizing something is not making it legal. You don't get the economic changes in pricing, availablity, etc.
A tablet of Oxy costs literally pennies to produce. There is no reason for someone to get robbed or murdered over it.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:13 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Decriminilizing something is not making it legal. You don't get the economic changes in pricing, availablity, etc.
A tablet of Oxy costs literally pennies to produce. There is no reason for someone to get robbed or murdered over it.
Fentanyl and meth are extremely cheap dude to high quantities in these places. Opening up a drug store with a guy in a white coat legally distributing those drugs isn't going to change anything as a whole. I get the libertarian argument and I've agreed with it for years, but I just don't see the evidence that legalizing it will change anything for the better.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:18 am to secfballfan
quote:This may be due to over the counter availability of Narcan?
Yet Fentanyl OD deaths sharply lower YTD, are the people being killed Fentanyl addicts?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:19 am to secfballfan
Is it a coincidence that murders are up since Broome shut down the Street Crimes Unit within BRPD?
I think not.
I think not.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:19 am to fallguy_1978
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The only real solution is mass incarceration for violent criminals.
How will BR keep the violent criminals from multiplying?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 11:23 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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How many alcoholics are robbing and stealing for alcohol? Very few. Because it's cheap, legal and available.
How many alcoholics can hold down a job? Probably a lot more than we think.
How many addicts can, I don’t know; however, it seems there a lot on the streets.
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 3/18/24 at 1:35 pm to doubleb
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How many alcoholics can hold down a job? Probably a lot more than we think.
How many addicts can, I don’t know; however, it seems there a lot on the streets.
There are lots of functioning drug addicts. In some ways, it's easier due to the nature of the drugs, lack of smells, etc.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:00 pm to bad93ex
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How will BR keep the violent criminals from multiplying?
There's not much you can do there but continue to harshly punish violent criminals and thieves. Eventually you thin their numbers.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:08 pm to upgrayedd
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but I just don't see the evidence that legalizing it will change anything for the better.
The two side effects of drug use are crime - both theft and violence - and addiction. For the general public that does not do drugs, the crime part is by far the worst of the two.
With it legalized, you would still have the addiction part, but the crime part would be gone.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:17 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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With it legalized, you would still have the addiction part, but the crime part would be gone.
That might be the dumbest thing I've seen posted here in quite a while
Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:19 pm to lsusteve1
It’s just horrible. Some people don’t give a shite anymore.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:22 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
quote:Yep. Legalize the buying, selling and owning.
Which is why I'm for legalization. The drugs actually cost pennies to produce. There is no reason a government created black market should drive up the price of a cheap commodity, resulting in violence and theft.
Then criminalize the use.
Take all the profit motive away.
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