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re: Due to patient - doctor confidentiality we will never know what.....
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:01 am to ZappBrannigan
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:01 am to ZappBrannigan
I wonder what the median age is of these recent mass killers. Could it be that the medical industry needs to re-evaluate the usage and effect of these drugs on developing brains?
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:06 am to League Champs
quote:Seems like you pulled that from a nonbiased source: PsychiatricFraud.org
Most all of the mass shooters have been linked to highly mood altering drugs. The claim is that the drugs remove the sense of right/wrong in order to lessen the degree of symptoms.
1) The first mass shooting to rock the nation was in 1966. Charles Whitman, known as the University of Texas Tower shooter, stabbed his wife and mother to death, then killed 15 and wounded 31. Shortly before that he was prescribed diazepam sold under the brand name Valium.
2) Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was also sold Valium, in June of that year. Diazepam was also prescribed for John Hinckley Jr. before his attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan.
3) Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 13 at Columbine High School. Eric was on Luvox, an antidepressant. Clinical trials revealed that 4 percent of youth taking Luvox developed "a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.”
4) The Virginia Tech shooter who killed 32 people was on an antidepressant.
5) Having regularly taken Prozac, Kip Kinkel murdered his mother and stepmother. He then shot 22 classmates.
6) Jason Hoffman shot 5 at his high school while he was on Effexor, also an antidepressant
7) James Holmes opened fire in a Colorado movie theater killing 12 people and wounding 58. He was taking Sertraline sold as Zoloft, an SSRI antidepressant
8) Sandy Hook shooter, Adam Lanza was prescribed both Lexapro and Celexa
9) The Parkland High shooter according to child service reports was also on an unnamed medication following instances of self-cutting and posting it on social media, as well as admitting he was depressed
11) Patrick Purdy murdered 5 children and wounded 30 in a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California He was prescribed Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.
12) The Navy Yard shooter killed 13 people including himself. He had been prescribed an antidepressant Trazodone by Veterans Affairs.
14) Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., killing 1 child and wounding 6. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.
15) Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed 9 people and wounded 5 others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.
16) Joseph Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac, shot 20 in Louisville, Kentucky, killing 9. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:09 am to Topwater Trout
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quote:go postal. kn When was the last time someone actually went postal...USPS is getting a bad wrap
Everybody knows they call it going password, that rage you get when you forget the many passwords we have in the modern word.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:10 am to GeauxTigers80
I think it is an interesting topic. Collection of data in these situations is important and these studies take a long time.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:13 am to GeauxTigers80
Hmmm mentally ill people shooting up crowds at random were possibly treated for being mentally ill? Very hot take!
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:16 am to Topwater Trout
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When was the last time someone actually went postal...USPS is getting a bad wrap
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April 4, 2006, Baker City, Oregon: Grant Gallaher, a letter carrier for 13 years, while on duty in Baker City, Oregon, reportedly went home and got his .357 Magnum revolver and drove to the city post office with the intention of killing the postmaster. Arriving at the parking lot, he reportedly ran over his supervisor several times. Subsequently, he went into the post office looking for the postmaster. Not finding the postmaster, he returned to the parking lot and shot his supervisor several times at close range, ostensibly to ensure she was dead. He reportedly then fired three bullets in the windshield of her car and three more in the hood
Last of what we would consider the classic example of going postal.
There have been other attacks on UPS and FedEx premise and involved employees but the above is the last on USPS priority mail shipping...oh wait
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:23 am to GeauxTigers80
So do we need to give more attention to mental health or less attention to mental health make up your mind.
Drugs didn't cause this, anger caused it. Clearly the elpaso shooter was deliberate in his planning. It was not impulsive. The number of murderers on no meds far outweighs those who are. Blaming medications for someone shooting someone else is like blaming antihypertensive medications for someone having a heart attack.
Drugs didn't cause this, anger caused it. Clearly the elpaso shooter was deliberate in his planning. It was not impulsive. The number of murderers on no meds far outweighs those who are. Blaming medications for someone shooting someone else is like blaming antihypertensive medications for someone having a heart attack.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:29 am to Salviati
Your first three listings are bullshite. Whitman had an undiagnosed brain tumor. Paddock: Valium is not is not mood-altering, it's sedating to relieve anxiety. And if Eric Harris was on an antidepressant why wasn't the other shooter Klebold on anything?
How many shootings were avoided because people got help? We'll never know which allows for stupid lists like yours.
How many shootings were avoided because people got help? We'll never know which allows for stupid lists like yours.
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 8:33 am
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:30 am to The Spleen
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There are millions of people on these drugs that don't shoot up public places.
This is a topic that I've always been interested in, and wish we could see some hard data.
Purely anecdotal - I was prescribed Zoloft in college after I told my doctor that I was feeling anxious all the time. Perhaps I just didn't do a good job of explaining my symptoms to my doctor, but I didn't feel like antidepressants were what I needed.
Anyway, in the three weeks that I took that drug, my mind never went to darker places. It was an awful feeling that I knew was a common side-effect, but I couldn't take it anymore, so I threw the pills away.
While I believe antidepressants can be effective for most individuals who need them, there are absolutely situations in which the effects of these drugs, coupled with hard variables such as lack of decent parenting and no development of self-esteem, can create a powder keg.
I'm not saying that Big Pharma is to blame for these shootings - in fact a lot of them were just pieces of shite who wanted to kill - but after experiencing the side-effects firsthand, I'd just like to see what some of these kids were on when deciding to commit these atrocities.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:35 am to Jake88
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Valium is not is not mood-altering, it's sedating to relieve anxiety.
This is not true. Benzos are some of the most dangerous mind-altering drugs out there. Benzos are no joke.
This post was edited on 8/5/19 at 8:35 am
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:40 am to EarlyCuyler3
quote:They are not given to alter moods. They are "tranquilizers" given for anxiety and they work quickly. They are addictive and going cold turkey off of them after longstanding use can be deadly like alcohol withdrawal. But, they do not function like antidepressants.
This is not true. Benzos are some of the most dangerous mind-altering drugs out there. Benzos are no joke.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:46 am to slackster
file:///C:/Users/Family/AppData/Local/Microsoft/Windows/INetCache/IE/0LL8P7KN/fluvoxamine.pdf
And 4% was actually the low end of the studies
6% there
19-23% in that study
50% here
And 14% here
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A surprising number of clinical trials con?rm that SSRIs, including ?uvoxamine, cause a high rate of mania in children and young people. Fluvoxamine, according to the label for the drug as found in the Physicians’ Desk Reference (PDR) [38], causes a 4% rate of mania in children under the age of 18 versus a 0% rate for similar children on placebo.
And 4% was actually the low end of the studies
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A controlled clinical trial found that ?uoxetine caused a 6% rate of mania in depressed children and youngsters age 7–17 [15]. The reactions were severe enough to cause the children to be dropped from the trials. By contrast, none of the depressed youngsters who took placebo developed mania. Therefore, the mania was caused by the ?uoxetine rather than by the mental condition of the children.
6% there
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University of Pittsburgh researchers took a retrospective look at medical charts of children and young men age 8–19 who had taken ?uoxetine [25]. They found that an extraordinary 23% of ?uoxetinetreated young people developed mania or “manic-like” symptoms. Another 19% of this group developed drug-induced hostility and aggression, including a “grinding anger with short temper and increasing oppositionalism”.
19-23% in that study
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A team of Yale doctors found that 50% of children and young people aged 8–16 developed two or more abnormal behavioral reactions to ?uoxetine, including aggression, loss of impulse control, agitation, and manic-like symptoms [39]. The effects lasted until the ?uoxetine was stopped.
50% here
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Another research study from Yale described a number of youngsters (6 of 42 or 14% in their cohort) who became aggressive and even violent while taking ?uoxetine [27]. The authors hypothesized that ?uoxetine was causing the aggressive behavior by means of “drug-induced activation” (stimulation) or “a speci?c serotonergic-mediated effect on the regulation of aggression”.
And 14% here
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:48 am to TH03
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We got mentally ill dudes taking pills because they're mentally ill and then when they shoot up the place, we have people acting like the treatment caused the disease.
Well, clinical studies absolutely disagree with your so-called hot take.
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By contrast, none of the depressed youngsters who took placebo developed mania. Therefore, the mania was caused by the ?uoxetine rather than by the mental condition of the children.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:50 am to League Champs
It's well known that antidepressants can cause mania in some. Prescribers are on the lookout for it and discontinue the med when it occurs.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:51 am to GeauxTigers80
They’re probably high on marijuana
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:51 am to EarlyCuyler3
And yet when he just had that same brain tumor, he didn't kill anyone. And many, many people also have brain tumors and didn't shoot up the place.
Study after study after study has proven that an identifiable percentage of people on mood-altering drugs become manic.
Study after study after study has proven that an identifiable percentage of people on mood-altering drugs become manic.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:52 am to Jake88
Yes, they're intended use is for anxiety but in practice they're used quite frequently by people to change their mood and alter their feelings. I know all too well from 1st hand experience.
They can change a person in ways far worse than prozac.
They can change a person in ways far worse than prozac.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:52 am to League Champs
Those studies don't speak to what op is suggesting. They don't refute what TH was posting.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:54 am to League Champs
Appreciate the link, thanks.
Posted on 8/5/19 at 8:54 am to Bluefin
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While I believe antidepressants can be effective for most individuals who need them, there are absolutely situations in which the effects of these drugs, coupled with hard variables such as lack of decent parenting and no development of self-esteem, can create a powder keg.
For sure, which is why the patient should be closely monitored by a qualified physician while taking the drugs. I've been on both Prozac and effixor for depression before. They both made me feel like complete crap while my body adjusted to them. I had to go to regular follow ups with my psychiatrist while on them.
The anti-depressant drugs have become an easy scapegoat in these cases. In each case there are a combination of factors that have led to the perpetrator committing these heinous acts. Focusing solely on one factor isn't going to reduce the risk of future ones.
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