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re: Double Murder + Suicide in Panama City
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:01 pm to BillBrosky
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:01 pm to BillBrosky
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Do you think that will stop someone hell bent on causing harm?
You don't think it would help? Are you saying court ordered restraining orders are useless?
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Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:04 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Are you saying court ordered restraining orders are useless?
No sir, not at all. Just saying the individual apparently planned this, and ain't no order gonna stop something like that unless the individual is locked up. But on what charges, violating an order? Posts bail and proceeds with his dirty deed.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:06 pm to tiggerthetooth
to be honest with you all I even have questions. I never knew this was going on only her siblings. they kept it tucked away from us. every time I seen them or talk to them they seemed happy like some kind of fairytale. so I wonder the same questions
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:08 pm to BillBrosky
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Just saying the individual apparently planned this, and ain't no order gonna stop something like that unless the individual is locked up
Uh yeah, it might've changed the fact that there was some sort of joint custody agreement, meaning he never would have had the excuse to go down there to meet her for their daughter.
They even said they knew he'd be there for the event and a restraining order might've forced one or the other to change their plans.
Would have made a big difference.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:33 pm to tiggerthetooth
dude, drop it. You're just being an arrogant asshat at this point.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:41 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Uh yeah, it might've changed the fact that there was some sort of joint custody agreement, meaning he never would have had the excuse to go down there to meet her for their daughter.
They even said they knew he'd be there for the event and a restraining order might've forced one or the other to change their plans.
Would have made a big difference.
You're living in a dream world, brother.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:53 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Are you saying court ordered restraining orders are useless?
I thought most people agreed that they are useless. They don't offer you protection if someone is out to murder you.
Like gun free zones - a joke for protection.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:59 pm to idlewatcher
sad part is even if you have a gun free zone. most military and police can still carry. and mark was military so doing what he did was no strain there trained to kill even quote in silent ways
Posted on 5/8/18 at 3:59 pm to idlewatcher
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RESULTS: About 11% of 231 women killed by male intimates had been issued a restraining order. About one-fifth of the female IPH victims who had a restraining order were killed within 2 days of the order being issued; about one-third were killed within a month. Nearly half of those with a restraining order had been protected by multiple orders. Victims killed in a shared residence (versus elsewhere) had lower odds of having a restraining order, whereas victims from rural (versus urban) counties, married (versus dating) victims, and Latino (versus non-Latino) victim-offender dyads had higher odds of having a restraining order. The type of weapon used was not associated with whether the victim had been under the protection of a restraining order.
Figured it would be higher than a mere 11%
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Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:00 pm to wood7j
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sad part is even if you have a gun free zone. most military and police can still carry. and mark was military so doing what he did was no strain there trained to kill even quote in silent ways
No doubt man. It's a tragedy all around especially for the kid.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:12 pm to idlewatcher
I think if she had filed charges against him or even gotten a protective order it would have been bad for his career. Possibly even career ending. The military doesn't like its officers behaving like that.
Maybe she didn't file because she still loved him or at least cared about him and didn't want to ruin him. Maybe she was using the threat of filing as leverage against him in the divorce/disposition of assets. Who knows what was really going on between them.
Maybe she didn't file because she still loved him or at least cared about him and didn't want to ruin him. Maybe she was using the threat of filing as leverage against him in the divorce/disposition of assets. Who knows what was really going on between them.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:28 pm to White Roach
You are spot on, if she had filed his career was over. It's typical for the spouse not to file especially if they are the main bread winner.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:29 pm to Costanza
Jesus, he left his 5 year old daughter without parents. No one is worth hurting your child like this.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 4:33 pm to White Roach
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I think if she had filed charges against him or even gotten a protective order it would have been bad for his career. Possibly even career ending. The military doesn't like its officers behaving like that.
Agree 100%. But that is for normal people with jobs. Most of the meth heads don't GAF about restraining orders. Not sure if that study I posted breaks it down by race/money etc, but I would like to know that.
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Maybe she didn't file because she still loved him
Seems like she was rubbing those photos in his face considering he obviously was stalking her profile every 5 minutes. Personally, I think she uploaded the photos of that baw to piss off her hubby and that is what triggered him.......no pun intended.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 8:23 pm to BillBrosky
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Do you think that will stop someone hell bent on causing harm?
Plus a restraining order would have made it exponentially more difficult to co-parent and run a business together. She was most likely hoping for the best and that he'd cool down over time.
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 8:47 pm to LaBR4
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True, but the front desk staff person shouldn't be up for Hilton Employee of the Year. Granted, he could shot them anytime he chose out of the room, but still bad to give him a key card
For exact situations like this, the clerk shouldn't make new key cards for anyone not listed on the room/show ID
They in fact use the angry ex example in any basic training on why....
But inevitably some desk folks think they are helping out, or get tired of angry reactions when they tell someone no. At 4am I’m guessing the overnight person was just trying to get through the night quietly. Big mistake.
Posted on 5/8/18 at 8:57 pm to NoSaint
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hey in fact use the angry ex example in any basic training on why...
I guess the front desk person didn't even ask what Room Number, or the husband said he forgot the room number, just look under this name..?
No way he would know what exact room they were in before hand?
Do you think the front desk person got fired?
This post was edited on 5/8/18 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 5/8/18 at 9:00 pm to wood7j
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to be honest with you all I even have questions
I'm not surprised. Found out after the fact a very close relative had been in an abusive relationship, although never escalating to the level in this thread, and we had no idea. Plus, it had been going on for years, and the couple (including the abused woman) never mentioned anything about it, never confided in any other family member, until she ultimately filed for a divorce.
Posted on 5/9/18 at 6:44 am to idlewatcher
i feel she could have NOT put photos up of her partying .....that was kind of IN YOUR FACE...probably not a good idea looking back on it.....
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