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Dog with the twisted stomach, aka the "smurf hat"
Posted on 5/11/15 at 5:15 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 5:15 am
Who has had to deal with this shite?
Stand and be recognized. Come forward and let's discuss your view of this scam, er, lifesaving emergency surgical procedure.
Got a bad case of smurf hat myself now.
Stand and be recognized. Come forward and let's discuss your view of this scam, er, lifesaving emergency surgical procedure.
Got a bad case of smurf hat myself now.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 5:17 am to atchafalaya
Complete scam. Just let your dog hang out in pain and they will get it back to normal. Either that or die.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 5:24 am to jscrims
I see you have smurf hat too.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 5:34 am to atchafalaya
Cousin's dog died of torsion. It's real.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 5:37 am to atchafalaya
It's a real condition, especially in large/giant breeds. I have mastiffs and it is somewhat of a common condition with the breed. Best thing is to let them chill for a while after eating to let their food digest. It is also referred to as bloat.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 5:38 am to jscrims
I marvel at the number of heretofore healthy dogs that suddenly develop smurf hat that requires immediate surgery.
I'm just looking to understand the condition better. I know we have two resident vets on here. I'm puzzled at how a species as successful as dogs could have forgotten to naturally select for a stomach that wouldn't, you know, tie itself in a knot. And apparently it happens a lot. I'm real curious.
I'm just looking to understand the condition better. I know we have two resident vets on here. I'm puzzled at how a species as successful as dogs could have forgotten to naturally select for a stomach that wouldn't, you know, tie itself in a knot. And apparently it happens a lot. I'm real curious.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 5:45 am to atchafalaya
Also yes, I read that when dogs eat one large meal quickly, or drink a lot of water right after, or exercise right after, or etc etc, they get smurf hat.
Does this not strike anyone as odd?
I mean if my dog survives I wont have to worry-- I ordered the old rivet to the body wall to keep the stomach squared away.
I may have them throw in that glass portal type thing they had on the LSU cow while we are at it.
Seriously tho. I'm a small bit skeptical of this. But unfortunately I can't call anyone's bluff on it, because it's my dog.
Does this not strike anyone as odd?
I mean if my dog survives I wont have to worry-- I ordered the old rivet to the body wall to keep the stomach squared away.
I may have them throw in that glass portal type thing they had on the LSU cow while we are at it.
Seriously tho. I'm a small bit skeptical of this. But unfortunately I can't call anyone's bluff on it, because it's my dog.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 5:47 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 5:53 am to atchafalaya
Man has been tinkering with canine genetic traits for about 20,000 years. In developing desirable characteristics, they've allowed some undesirable ones to creep in. Nearly every purebred breed is susceptible to genetic abnormalities, some worse than others. As another poster stated, torsion is more common in large breeds. That's a prime example.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 6:10 am to Jim Rockford
My lab died from it. Sure seemed real to me...
Posted on 5/11/15 at 6:18 am to atchafalaya
My dog died from it last July. Got rushed to the vet and died on the way an hour before I got back from working out of town. Never saw him.
Edit: thanks for the happy Monday morning thought, frick face.
Edit: thanks for the happy Monday morning thought, frick face.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 6:21 am
Posted on 5/11/15 at 6:19 am to Jim Rockford
number one cause of death of bloodhounds
Posted on 5/11/15 at 6:22 am to atchafalaya
quote:
I marvel at the number of heretofore healthy dogs that suddenly develop smurf hat that requires immediate surgery.
I'm just looking to understand the condition better. I know we have two resident vets on here. I'm puzzled at how a species as successful as dogs could have forgotten to naturally select for a stomach that wouldn't, you know, tie itself in a knot. And apparently it happens a lot. I'm real curious.
Natural selection doesn't really apply as much with domesticated animals like dogs, cats, pigs, cows, etc because we're selectively breeding for different characteristics that we find desirable for one reason or another, not just letting them compete for survival in the wild. For natural selection to have a more powerful effect it would also have to hit animals before they are old enough to breed or have the chance to reproduce.
Anyway, GDV isn't completely understood. What presents in the case of an emergency is a really bloated/gas filled stomach which has torqued around so that the gas can't easily be passed back up the esophagus. It is more common in some larger breed dogs (which we bred thru artificial selection) with a deep chest. Perhaps this is a function of the size of the stomach and the room in the abdomen it has to move around (perhaps along with the wrong combination of a big meal, gas formation, and exercise to torque the stomach you may be unlucky enough to see a case).
It is an emergency procedure and the outcome is going to be in question. Restoring fluid volumes along with relieving the gas distension and torsion are some of the major concerns going into the procedure.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 6:46 am to atchafalaya
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I'm puzzled at how a species as successful as dogs could have forgotten to naturally select
You think it makes sense to use "dog" and "naturally select" in the same sentence? And you presume to know enough to call out quack science at the same time? Lol
Posted on 5/11/15 at 7:26 am to molsusports
Ain't no way my lab has this. She farts and burps pretty much constantly. Stinky little bitch
Posted on 5/11/15 at 7:32 am to atchafalaya
I love it when stupidity gets exposed and a thread doesn't go the way OP imagined it would.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:07 am to TigerstuckinMS
That is how I lost my Weimaraner pal.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:13 am to atchafalaya
Top of the line vet here offered to do Laparoscopic Assisted Gastropexy surgery on my Swissy. This thread is making me regret not doing that surgery.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:30 am to molsusports
My St Bernard had GDV immediately after an FHO... Fortunately he was already in the ICU at the vet school from his hip surgery... He had a second procedure that day and the GDV caused no more problems for him...
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:30 am to Captain Fantasy
Prophylactic gastropexy in a dog that has never had GDV (bloat) is not something all vets agree on for sure. The incidence of recurrence in a dog with a pexy is 5% or less which makes the prophylactic procedure seem like a great idea. However there are some dogs that develop permanent vomiting issues because of it and we never will know if they would have developed bloat.
If they actually have bloat it needs to be fixed. Just bloat? I'd try to get it done without surgery. Bloat and torsion of the stomach? I'd have my dog on the operating table asap.
If they actually have bloat it needs to be fixed. Just bloat? I'd try to get it done without surgery. Bloat and torsion of the stomach? I'd have my dog on the operating table asap.
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:32 am to OlGrandad
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That is how I lost my Weimaraner pal
Just got one and have been warned bout it constantly. Vet went so far as to tell me to spread out her food in a giant oven pan to make her eat slow.
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