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re: Dog with the twisted stomach, aka the "smurf hat"

Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:38 am to
Posted by AubieALUMdvm
Member since Oct 2011
11713 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:38 am to
quote:

giant oven pan


Who wants to put an oven pan down twice a day?

google search: dog bowl eat slow -- you'll find all those bowls designed for this


Unless your dog is just inhaling its food I wouldn't get too worked up about it.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 8:39 am
Posted by Pectus
Internet
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:39 am to
It's called bloat and it is real. I saved my dogs life while being present when she had the early signs of an episode of it and I brought her to the vet then the ER.

It's a serious issue.
Posted by Broke
AKA Buttercup
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:45 am to
quote:

AubieALUMdvm


I think I would tend to agree with whatever this dude says.

My neighbors Great Dane died from it.
Posted by Aspercel
Member since Jan 2009
105893 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:46 am to
It's like colic in horses. Definitely a real and life threatening thing.
Posted by CheeseburgerEddie
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:51 am to
My German shepherd absolutely inhaled his food and has never had it. I'm talking easily finished a meal in 1 minute or (a lot) less. He has slowed up a little bit now but never had a twisted stomach. Probabaly is a scam.
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22774 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 8:56 am to
quote:

Who wants to put an oven pan down twice a day?


Thank you!!

That was my reaction as well.
Posted by AubieALUMdvm
Member since Oct 2011
11713 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:11 am to
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My German shepherd absolutely inhaled his food and has never had it. I'm talking easily finished a meal in 1 minute or (a lot) less. He has slowed up a little bit now but never had a twisted stomach. Probabaly is a scam.


Well, im convinced. You may only have n=1 but it's a solid 1.
Posted by mglsu21
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2012
1260 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:24 am to
quote:

google search: dog bowl eat slow -- you'll find all those bowls designed for this


I have a slo bowl for both of my dogs because they eat too fast. They went from less than 1 minute to about 7 minutes. Since they have gotten used to it they are now down to around 4 minutes. They were not having any issues yet, but I feel like it was a good precautionary.



Slo Bowl
Posted by Captain Fantasy
Member since Mar 2013
1595 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:27 am to
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Prophylactic gastropexy in a dog that has never had GDV (bloat) is not something all vets agree on for sure. The incidence of recurrence in a dog with a pexy is 5% or less which makes the prophylactic procedure seem like a great idea. However there are some dogs that develop permanent vomiting issues because of it and we never will know if they would have developed bloat.
Thanks for the info
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
40828 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:34 am to
quote:

Unless your dog is just inhaling its food


Consider the Weimaraner.
Posted by AubieALUMdvm
Member since Oct 2011
11713 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:57 am to
we don't know for sure why some dogs develop bloat which in most cases in medicine means its multifactorial and there is likely some genetic basis too. It's pretty clear that fast eating isn't the only issue.
Posted by Artie Rome
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Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/11/15 at 9:57 am to
quote:

I saved my dogs life


Not really.
Posted by mglsu21
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2012
1260 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:25 am to
quote:

It's pretty clear that fast eating isn't the only issue.


But slowing down the eating has to help (or at least not hurt), right?
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
40828 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:28 am to
My Weim would have kicked that thing over in about two seconds and scarfed the food off the floor. She could problem-solve better than most humans I know.

Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
18901 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:29 am to
I have had dogs in the field that experienced this and had to be mede'vaced emergently so I know it is a real issue. FWIW, USSOCOM considers it serious enough that all dogs are now stapled prophylactically when they are brought into service.

IMO, for the two cases I treated back to back (neither was stapled), the factors were exertion, followed by rapid intake of food and water followed by being kenneled. Contrary to popular opinion regarding them running around on a full gut, I think the laying down and rolling over common when kenneled is the cause.
Posted by AubieALUMdvm
Member since Oct 2011
11713 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:29 am to
I think most would agree with that. Just avoid putting large rocks in the bowl to slow them down as has been recommended by some in the past. Large dogs can be dumb and will eat the rocks.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:44 am to
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I'm puzzled at how a species as successful as dogs could have forgotten to naturally select for a stomach that wouldn't, you know, tie itself in a knot.



Well in the wild they probably didn't constantly eat big meals like they do domestically. That has a lot to do with it. They were scavengers.

Eating big meals then heavy physical exertion is a cause of bloat. We don't encourage our pup to do anything but be lazy for an hour after eating. Even if he wants to rough house, we just ignore him until he has time to digest.


ETA:

Not in a kennel ever though. He just walks around the house calmly after eating now.
This post was edited on 5/11/15 at 10:47 am
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 10:55 am to
Also, we put some water in his dry food and that seems to actually slow him down for some reason.

We tried the tennis ball in the food bowl trick and he was way too smart for that shite . Just picked it up and spit it outside the bowl.
Posted by atchafalaya
Bayou Chene, Louisiana
Member since Dec 2006
1530 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:22 am to
Thanks guys for the data!

Dog had surgery at about 430 am. They had to remove spleen too because it I think was damaged in the torsion (blood supply issue maybe).

Anyway, it's a crazy thing! I appreciate the experts making an appearance.

As I read about this thing (I appreciate the key words I pulled from the posts above), I turns out the mortality from this business is quite high. Vet says recovery looking good so far.

As a couple of you pointed out, dog is having stomach staple to body cavity which hopefully prevents from happening again.

i have no idea what caused this. I will say that dog ate once a day very very quickly and that slow eating bowl posted above looks pretty smart. Thanks!
Posted by acarlisle53
San Antonio
Member since May 2008
5 posts
Posted on 5/11/15 at 11:40 am to
I just lost one mastiff with this and the second one had it a few months later. Had the surgery at vet emergency hospital and stomach was stapled to body cavity. Twice more after surgery he came down with bloat again, and the second time killed him last Sunday. He was too sick to make it through a second surgery. We tried different bowls, different heights, different foods. It just seems some breeds are more susceptible to this problem than others and older mastiffs is one of those breeds.
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