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re: Do you sometimes wish we could go back to this America?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:11 pm to Peazey
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:11 pm to Peazey
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Cambodia circa 1975-1979
The point is that it's all relative and that progress and its opposite have happened throughout history and will continue to do so.
An ancient philosopher complaining about the youth in his area may have been entirely correct.
A current American may be entirely correct in his belief that America used to be a much more pleasant place in general for most people.
Citing 1980s crime stats and ancient quotes does nothing to argue against that.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:19 pm to uway
Making baseless claims about your childhood and cherry picking pictures doesn't make any point.
The quotes point to a phenomenon of aging that has existed for as long as man has existed. That is the point of those quotes. When every generation complains about the degradation of the proceeding generation what is the common factor? The common factor is aging people. This nostalgic pining for yesterday is not reliable. It is shown to be foolish.
What is reliable? Facts and statistics. When someone claims that the 80's were a safer time, crime statistics that show that in reality it was much more dangerous are very relevant. With this clear demonstration that perception of the past is not the reality of the past it is shown definitively that people's recollections of the past as being generally better is not to be relied upon. Especially when plausible reasons for them being unreliable have been demonstrated.
The quotes point to a phenomenon of aging that has existed for as long as man has existed. That is the point of those quotes. When every generation complains about the degradation of the proceeding generation what is the common factor? The common factor is aging people. This nostalgic pining for yesterday is not reliable. It is shown to be foolish.
What is reliable? Facts and statistics. When someone claims that the 80's were a safer time, crime statistics that show that in reality it was much more dangerous are very relevant. With this clear demonstration that perception of the past is not the reality of the past it is shown definitively that people's recollections of the past as being generally better is not to be relied upon. Especially when plausible reasons for them being unreliable have been demonstrated.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:47 pm to OMLandshark
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Only if you were a white, Protestant, straight male living in America.
So it would have been great times for me.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:55 pm to RedRifle
Yea I actually think I'll pass on this one...
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:02 pm to barry
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Everyone remembers their childhood fondly(unless it was super shitty) because they were sheltered. You didn't have to deal with the societal and cultural issues of the day. Your parents, if they were worth a shite shielded you from it.
In the mid 1960s, my brother played trumpet and was heavily into jazz music. At the age of 16 he was allowed to take the train from the suburbs of Houston to New Orleans spend the day and evening wandering around the quarter taking in the music spending the night at the YMCA and returning by train, the whole time alone, unsupervised. At around age 10 my sister would ride the city bus alone to and from music lessons in the city. Our parents were not irresponsible lots of kids in that era rode public transportation to get to private schools, and other activities. We were not sheltered, it was a different society.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:02 pm to RedRifle
What about this America?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:05 pm to The Hurricane
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I don't want to die from the flu.
Please...same amount of people die from the flu as before. Don't buy the hype of the "flu vaccine". It doesn't exist.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:07 pm to RedRifle
The words "dildo hitler" had not yet been uttered.... no thanks
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:07 pm to sullivanct19a
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Please...same amount of people die from the flu as before. Don't buy the hype of the "flu vaccine". It doesn't exist.
Pretty impressive given world growth
Also, source?
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:45 pm to EA6B
That maybe demonstrates that your parents had more trust in you and were willing to give you more responsibility. That doesn't demonstrate that it is more dangerous now. When I was 13 or 14 I would occasionally ride the public bus home from school in Mid City New Orleans to Jefferson Parish. Know why? Because my parents trusted me to take care of myself. I was never shot, stabbed, robbed, assaulted or otherwise even pestered. This was the early 2000's. What does this prove about the relative safety of the time? Not a damn thing.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:52 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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True, but we, for the most part, were a more civil society back then.
No, we were not.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 1:57 pm to EA6B
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We were not sheltered,
Thats not the sheltered I mean, as kids you don't have to worry about the economy, job market, social issues, etc. You live in a bubble.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:36 pm to CatsGoneWild
I will agree that wearing a suit in everyday normal life appeals to me greatly.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:37 pm to RedRifle
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:39 pm to RedRifle
No cell phones?
I'm in. I yearn for an era without them.
I'm in. I yearn for an era without them.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:40 pm to greystreettoker
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will agree that wearing a suit in everyday normal life appeals to me greatly.
Why the frick would this appeal to anyone? If I had my way, we'd all wear pajamas or jumpsuits to work. Fashion is feminine and impractical.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 2:42 pm to OMLandshark
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Too bad the 1980s was the single most violent decade in American history since the 1860s. The only reason you think this is you didn't have mass media exposure in the 80s.
Not where I lived. I'm sure you can see the world is different today.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 3:04 pm to BoostAddict
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Not where I lived.
Where did you live?
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I'm sure you can see the world is different today.
Sure, mass media, the internet, and the 24 hour news cycle makes some people think the world is more violent today. Those people, like you, don't know what they're talking about
Posted on 1/5/16 at 3:25 pm to RedRifle
What is it with people who have a Mayberryesque romanticism about the "good old days"?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 3:33 pm to TigerBait1127
I'm not even necessarily talking about violence, you fricking twat. Things change, towns change, neighborhoods change. Things you could do back then you can't do anymore because you get put in jail or sent to sensitivity training.
And also... Everyone wasn't such a gotdamn pussy back then. We played "murder ball" at PE and tagging kids in the head with a volleyball was A-OK. No one wore gotdamn bicycle helmets everywhere. We could bring pocket knives and tylenol to school. People didn't have their heads buried in an electronic device constantly.... etc. etc...
We live in a world of entitled pussies.
And also... Everyone wasn't such a gotdamn pussy back then. We played "murder ball" at PE and tagging kids in the head with a volleyball was A-OK. No one wore gotdamn bicycle helmets everywhere. We could bring pocket knives and tylenol to school. People didn't have their heads buried in an electronic device constantly.... etc. etc...
We live in a world of entitled pussies.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 3:35 pm
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