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re: Do We Need Laws To Prevent Investigators From Using Certain Interrogation Methods?

Posted on 8/6/20 at 9:02 pm to
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 8/6/20 at 9:02 pm to
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abuse of the handicapped?



When someone beats you up, let me know what happens to them.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Member since Jun 2004
198220 posts
Posted on 8/6/20 at 9:38 pm to
if abuse of the handicap was a crime I'd be in prison for life for what I do to you every day on this board
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
76259 posts
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:02 pm to
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If they bring in someone (let's say an 18, 19... 20 year old) and they leave him in the interrogation room trying to get him to confess. He didn't commit the crime, but after hours they tell him they know its him because such and such saw him there and they have his friend in the next room telling them that the kid they are interrogating did it.. So they have one person who saw him there and a confession from someone saying they did it.

After being in there for hours and hours, they might break and just go ahead and say they did it.

All you say is, "Lawyer".

Then, shut the frick up. Period.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:07 pm to
what we're all thinking
there are laws against this are those laws broken, yes

but asking should we have a law is plain ignorant
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:11 pm to
We need to rethink and reform how we handle a lot of things at nearly every level of modern law enforcement.

Forensics are just about the only thing that's fundamentally changed since modern police forces began to take shape in the mid to late 1800s. We didn't magically get this right on the first try, it's okay to admit that things can be improved upon. A lot of modern police techniques and ideas are still based on antiquated ideas.

Most people never spend a second thinking about or questioning the origins of modern police forces and how they operate. If the average person had any clue then the idea of reforming the way society handles law enforcement wouldn't be considered radical, it would be mainstream
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
76259 posts
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:13 pm to
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All you say is, "Lawyer".

Then, shut the frick up. Period.


It is also important to note that when you invoke your "Right to remain silent" that you do just that. It doesn't matter if they ask you if you would like a drink of water, you do not answer. In no way do you give them any out whatsoever to say or imply in any way that you willfully entered into a conversation. They will use multiple tactics in effort to get or keep you talking. You say one word, one time, "Lawyer".
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 10:22 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:36 pm to
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All you say is, "Lawyer".

Then, shut the frick up. Period.


This is really an odd thing for me. While generally a tertiary part of my practice since I run the litigation arm of a firm I have done hundreds of criminal trials over the last 28 years and the majority of the people I have represented are reasonably well educated many with post-grad degrees and there was a significant percentage of them that gave statements against their best interest to the police. They almost always related to me that since they were not guilty they could eliminate themselves from suspicion and help the police.

Being arrested has the effect of people acting quite differently than they think they would. In fact, over time I have learned that people who just say "lawyer" are probably guilty and it is likely that it wasn't their first rodeo. Most other people end up talking to some extent and are especially susceptible to "informal questioning".



Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:39 pm to
Never answer questions even if you’re innocent. Even cops tell their family that but unfortunately most people think only guilty people need an atty.
Posted by The People
LSU Alumni
Member since Aug 2008
4461 posts
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:42 pm to
No Investigator wants to put the wrong person in prison for a crime they didn’t commit.

Confessions are usually the last piece of evidence that an Investigator is trying to add to a criminal case.

There is usually a mountain of physical, digital, and personal evidence pointing to the suspect by the time they are in the box and the Investigator is seeking a confession.

I am not going to go into detail about the methods and operations that are used, but most aren’t just going to produce a false confession without a very low IQ from the suspect and a lengthy amount of time and pressure.

Interrogations are all about leverage. If you have it, it’s not difficult to get a suspect to confess if they are talking.

The most effective technique that I use is the appeal to morality. Most people are inherently remorseful for their crimes against other people. If you can build a strong enough rapor, leverage the evidence you have, and build on someone’s moral compass you have given it your best shot.

Some people will deny their crimes to the end. In those cases, you can use the lack of remorse and accountability against them.

And while we are at it, for the millionth time law enforcement is not the problem in this country. Stop biting into to these cherry picked small instances of corruption and assuming they are wide spread. The vast majority of cops in this country are high character moral people seeking to find justice and hold others accountable for what they have earned.
This post was edited on 8/6/20 at 10:44 pm
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:46 pm to
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but most aren’t just going to produce a false confession without a very low IQ from the suspect
that's why he is concerned
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:52 pm to
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No Investigator wants to put the wrong person in prison for a crime they didn’t commit.


BATON ROUGE - Documents say a federal civil rights lawsuit against Scott Perrilloux, district attorney for three parishes, will go forward after a judge issued a ruling against the D.A. Monday.

In the lawsuit, Perrilloux is accused of coercing an alleged witness to fabricate testimony in a 2002 capital murder case against Michael Wearry. The testimony helped put Wearry on death row for the murder of a 16-year-old pizza delivery boy.

Perrilloux and former Livingston Parish Chief of Detectives Marlon Kearney Foster allegedly used threats and intimidation to get the then 10-year-old Jeffery Ashton to falsely say he saw Wearry and other defendants near the murder scene.

WWL-TV spoke with Ashton, now 30, after he recanted his testimony. He now says he was nowhere near the crime scene and never saw Wearry.

“I seen none of that,” he said. “On the night that everything happened, I was not in Springfield, period. We was at the Strawberry Festival."

Ashton said Perrilloux and Foster told him what to say.

Wearry was convicted of first-degree murder and sentenced to death. The high court threw out his conviction due to prosecutors withholding evidence from his defense team.

Wearry took a deal and plead guilty to manslaughter.

LINK
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
31244 posts
Posted on 8/6/20 at 11:10 pm to
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No Investigator wants to put the wrong person in prison for a crime they didn’t commit.


The first rule of public speaking is never open with a rhetorical question or a statement that is categorically false. If you do you will lose a significant portion of your audience before you take your first breath.

You either need to replace the never/no/none language or use a modifier in front of "Investigator".
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