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re: Do 90% of these kids really need to be on these competitive travel ball teams?
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:33 am to lsu777
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:33 am to lsu777
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i do find it funny 99% of TD that complains about travel doesnt have kids or is not involved in it at all.
IDC really and I have a nephew that will play on one eventually I am sure
The only things I find cheesy are the weekly "state" championships and chrome rings that are the size of a baseball itself. It seems to water things down IMO but if the kids have fun is all that matters.
Parents are going to live vicariously through their kids no matter what the activity is. There are band parents, travel ball parents, scout parents, etc all proud of their kids. It's part of being a parent.
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Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:33 am to Gaston
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Teaching kids to work hard to accomplish their goals is a very good thing, no matter what form it takes on while they’re young. Sports is kind of the only thing, I could see music being another, where they can be in control of their own destiny. Work hard, get better…not seeing results, work harder/better.
My 16 yr old drove 1.5 hour away yesterday for lessons, without prompting or anything. Tough to get kids that focused. I figure if you get them pointed in the right directions then your work is mostly done.
academics is similar but you make a good point.
but the OT will bitch about anything man
they dont like your kid sitting around, but also dont like them playing sports too much. They only like it if you have the kid around the fishing camp learning to become an alcoholic like so many on here....as that is peak life to so many here
they also bitch how you decorate your home, inside and outside....
they bitch about the clothes other men wear
they claim to all be wealthy but then make fun of schools like STM, that cost like 12k a year, as only rich people school like its some put down
one thing you can count on with the OT....they will find something to bitch about and make fun of no matter what.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:33 am to 777Tiger
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Prominaxtyn's
That kids name this weekend has been the only time I’ve been taken aback because it was so stereotypically horrible.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:36 am to Prominentwon
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the only time I’ve been taken aback because it was so stereotypically horrible.
these travel ball names are starting to rival the hideousness level of some of the names black people make up for their kids
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:37 am to Potchafa
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Teach them to weld, drive a standard, cook how to grow a garden. 99% of those kids won't play ball past high school. Waste of time and money!
Not sure why you are getting all the downvotes. I fully support this. Teach the kids other skills and hobbies that they can use for the rest of their lives. While you 99% number was a little inflated... it isn't far off. Approximately 5.6% of high school baseball players play ball at the NCAA level and another 0.5% get drafted.
So only 6.1% will play past high school. 93.9% will not.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:38 am to stout
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Parents are going to live vicariously through their kids no matter what the activity is. There are band parents, travel ball parents, scout parents, etc all proud of their kids. It's part of being a parent.
100%. I LOVED playing ball when I was younger. And all I wanted to try is to pass that down to my kids. 2/3 has no interest and my boy loves it. My middle daughter tried tball and she didn’t get any further. I’ll never make them do something that they don’t like.
I don’t find it living vicariously through him. I find it joyous seeing him play ball, enjoy time with his friends, learn, improve and so on. Of course I get something positive out of it. But like you said, there’s no parent in the world that loves their kids that doesn’t want to pass something from their childhood down to their kids.
I’ve seen so many social media posts about dads bringing their kids out hunting and killing their first bucks. You don’t see me starting threads and throwing hissy fits over something I don’t participate or have an interest in. But that’s just me.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:42 am to stout
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IDC really and I have a nephew that will play on one eventually I am sure
The only things I find cheesy are the weekly "state" championships and chrome rings that are the size of a baseball itself. It seems to water things down IMO but if the kids have fun is all that matters.
well thats because their are different divisions and different organizations
kind of like is dixie youth, babe ruth, cal ripken, little league, pony etc in rec ball
in travel in louisiana you have
2d, Perfect game, usssa and otc mainly with 2d, PG, USSSA being the biggest by far. each holds their owns NITs, State and world series in some form with world series just being an end of the year tournament
each organizations pairs teams or trys to pair teams of equal talent together in the 3 divisions, aa, aaa and majors. many times not enough aaa teams and majors teams so they have aa and open divisions. each gets a champion.
dont get me started on the rings. we have asked they start giving out tshirts but many of the moms, especially in aa ball, get pissed and want their baby to get that ring. the rings suck, one time thing and then go in the cabinet or on the shelve. tshirts kids would wear over and over.
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Parents are going to live vicariously through their kids no matter what the activity is. There are band parents, travel ball parents, scout parents, etc all proud of their kids. It's part of being a parent.
most arent realyl living vicariously through the kid in that they are trying to get the kid to achieve something they didnt etc...more just supporting the goals. to play at the majors level, these kids have to work their asses off and have to be 100% in to keep up. they have to absolutely love the process and want to practice on their own 3-4 days a week. if not...they get left behind skill wise.
my kids make a 4.0 and play other sports. if they decided to quit baseball...wouldnt bitch a second or be disappointed. i just want them to do what they love, set goals and strive to be the best. my oldest is nothing more than an OK rec ball player and baseball is his 3rd sport so i have kids at both endsn of the spectrum and have coached rec ball the last 8 years and been involved in travel for last 4. there are so many misconceptions on this board in these threads its not even funny.
99% is BS spewed by people not even remotely involved in travel at all.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:42 am to 777Tiger
My son always played all the sports at rec. He’s definitely no superstar, but an average to above average player at all the sports.
When he was nine, he said he wanted to play a lot more baseball, so we signed him up for travel team. It was a team filled out with kids more or less about his level and they played in a lower division. Only practiced twice a week and played on the weekend tournaments, most of them locally or where you can drive to and from each day. End of the year went out of state for their World Series, which basically was a one week vacation with 12 of his friends and had a great time and great memories those weeks. It was about the trip more than it was about baseball.
He turned 13 this year and said he was done with it and ready to start fishing a lot more again. So we’re done with baseball. We enjoyed it because we had no expectation he was going to high school or college or anything like that to play ball. He simply wanted to play more baseball. There are lotta parents who ruin their kids and push it but there’s also parents who just let their kids do it because they want to play more baseball. And you can definitely tell which ones are which.
We lucked out and were on teams that had great families and great kids. A dad was the head coach and two other dad‘s assistant. All three had baseball backgrounds. Our cost for the year was a fraction of most other teams because all they charged us was to cover expenses. so for what we were looking for it was worked out perfect
When he was nine, he said he wanted to play a lot more baseball, so we signed him up for travel team. It was a team filled out with kids more or less about his level and they played in a lower division. Only practiced twice a week and played on the weekend tournaments, most of them locally or where you can drive to and from each day. End of the year went out of state for their World Series, which basically was a one week vacation with 12 of his friends and had a great time and great memories those weeks. It was about the trip more than it was about baseball.
He turned 13 this year and said he was done with it and ready to start fishing a lot more again. So we’re done with baseball. We enjoyed it because we had no expectation he was going to high school or college or anything like that to play ball. He simply wanted to play more baseball. There are lotta parents who ruin their kids and push it but there’s also parents who just let their kids do it because they want to play more baseball. And you can definitely tell which ones are which.
We lucked out and were on teams that had great families and great kids. A dad was the head coach and two other dad‘s assistant. All three had baseball backgrounds. Our cost for the year was a fraction of most other teams because all they charged us was to cover expenses. so for what we were looking for it was worked out perfect
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 8:43 am
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:43 am to Prominentwon
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But like you said, there’s no parent in the world that loves their kids that doesn’t want to pass something from their childhood down to their kids.
This is the most hypocritical part of many of the posters that crap on travel ball is that there is no doubt something they spend money and time on with their kids that others may not see the value in. The value is doing something with your kid and supporting them in their interest.
Now, if you are pushing your kid to play ball when he doesn't want to then you need to evaluate if it is for you or them. Same for any activity.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:44 am to burger bearcat
I do find it somewhat interesting the discussion of skill levels. My son moved from a rec league to a select league for soccer. He was good (not great) in rec league and stayed about the same relative to the select league (good not great). Some of his teammates are doing travel all Star summer at 8. To me that is nuts. He is doing the local baseball rec league and one soccer camp this summer.
Kids need time for their childhood. I know it’ll get worse as he gets older but I’d rather both my kids not commit to one activity so early.
Kids need time for their childhood. I know it’ll get worse as he gets older but I’d rather both my kids not commit to one activity so early.
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 8:46 am
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:45 am to burger bearcat
I haven’t read the entire thread yet, but this is hitting home for me right now. My 9 year old wants to move up to the competitive soccer league, which will require three practices per week plus games and tournaments. It’s $1500 just to register and get uniforms.
For elementary school soccer?!?
I don’t get it, and it seems unhealthy to devote so much time and energy at a young age to a sport for fun.
For elementary school soccer?!?
I don’t get it, and it seems unhealthy to devote so much time and energy at a young age to a sport for fun.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:45 am to Potchafa
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Teach them to weld, drive a standard, cook how to grow a garden. 99% of those kids won't play ball past high school. Waste of time and money!
You can also make the argument that specialization at a young age in one sport limits kid’s athletic development as a whole. These kids should be playing multiple sports instead of one year around.
Also makes them less prone to injury later on. It’s no coincidence that Tommy John’s surgery is rampant at this point with younger players. I can’t find the study but it simple comes down to kids using the same core group of muscles/tendons over a period of time that creates a wear and tear situation.
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 8:48 am
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:46 am to lsu777
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2d
I know Ross that runs and started 2D here in LC. God guy and he has grown it so huge. Was a good coach prior to jumping into 2D full-time.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:49 am to stout
Not much pressure at 12-13 to really get the most out of every moment…but man when they’re about 17 you just chomp at the bit to get the last bit out of the parent - kid relationship. They’re about gone no matter what you do…growing up, leaving for school…
We’re driving to 6 SEC schools starting next week and it’s going to be a blast. Yea, unreal pressure on him to perform at an elite level…but we don’t talk about that. That’s something he has to deal with his heart, but damn we can make the rest of it fun and exciting. Family dinners at strange restaurants, random towns where everything is different…we’ll cherish the time with him.
We’re driving to 6 SEC schools starting next week and it’s going to be a blast. Yea, unreal pressure on him to perform at an elite level…but we don’t talk about that. That’s something he has to deal with his heart, but damn we can make the rest of it fun and exciting. Family dinners at strange restaurants, random towns where everything is different…we’ll cherish the time with him.
This post was edited on 5/22/23 at 8:50 am
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:49 am to SaturdayTraditions
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Teach them to weld, drive a standard, cook how to grow a garden. 99% of those kids won't play ball past high school. Waste of time and money!
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Not sure why you are getting all the downvotes. I fully support this. Teach the kids other skills and hobbies that they can use for the rest of their lives. While you 99% number was a little inflated... it isn't far off. Approximately 5.6% of high school baseball players play ball at the NCAA level and another 0.5% get drafted.
So only 6.1% will play past high school. 93.9% will not.
yea since driving a standard is such a useful skill now a days and being able to weld....let me tell you...i use that everyday
i get learning to weld is useful and i do like to fabricate but 90%+ of the population has no use for it. Im an engineer in the plants and still have no use to do it myself
and you act like kids that play baseball cant learn to hunt, fish, grow a garden or learn to cook.
and since you want to throw out stats...should we just disband HS sports all together? i mean seems like a waste if only 6% get to go play in college?
i mean at that rate...might as well get rid of youth sports too cause only like 10% from tball end up making the HS team. might as well get them involved in other hobbies right?
like stated above...i dotn come on here and bitch about people "wasting money" going hunting everytime i see a kid posting a picture of a buck. i dont come here and say...what a scam...they could buy that meat at the store and not have to spend hundreds on a lease, hundreds on guns, on stands, on corn.....think about how much time they wasted plowing that food plot etc etc
the OTs obession with travel ball while having no clue about it is funny. usually these thread are started by people whos kids are my age(40) or who dont have kids involved in organized sports at all. its never done by people involved in travel sports.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:54 am to BluegrassBelle
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Also makes them less prone to injury later on. It’s no coincidence that Tommy John’s surgery is rampant at this point with younger players. I can’t find the study but it simple comes down to kids using the same core group of muscles/tendons over a period of time that creates a wear and tear situation.
You just woke the kraken. LSU777777 is about to write you a novel on why his grip machine and app they do to test arms before games and weight training and arm care they do at 10 years old has no shot at affecting kids arms. He has it figured out.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:54 am to lsu777
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they start giving out tshirts
Not that they won a lot but they have a few but wtf are they supposed to do with those? If you’re not going to give them tshirts, do trophies and at least that’s something to show off. That’s what we had and I have boxes of them
That and maybe beer drinking champ tshirts whenever we’re 2 and Q and didn’t have anywhere else to go until it was time to go to the bar at 11
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:54 am to BluegrassBelle
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You can also make the argument that specialization at a young age in one sport limits kid’s athletic development as a whole. These kids should be playing multiple sports instead of one year around.
Also makes them less prone to injury later on. It’s no coincidence that Tommy John’s surgery is rampant at this point with younger players. I can’t find the study but it simple comes down to kids using the same core group of muscles/tendons over a period of time that creates a wear and tear situation.
how many times do you have to be told, nobody is playing just one sport?
these kdis are all july, august and most only do 1 tournament in the fall. almost all of them play other sports...mainly fall soccer and football.
and TJ isnt all about over use. i have went into in detail in other post but TLDR...kids today carry less muscle, aroudn 6-20lbs less, than 2-3 decades ago. ucl alone can not handle the stress on the elbow valgus during a throw. the stress has to be permeated throughout the arm and muscle.
kids shouldnt even throw a baseball until they can do chins if you want to keep them 100% healthy.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:56 am to stout
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I know Ross that runs and started 2D here in LC. God guy and he has grown it so huge. Was a good coach prior to jumping into 2D full-time.
yea known ross since HS days, great guy and has done amazing with 2d. imo the select series is the best thing out there for youth baseball. more comeptition and less travel.
Posted on 5/22/23 at 8:58 am to FlyTheW08
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You just woke the kraken. LSU777777 is about to write you a novel on why his grip machine and app they do to test arms before games and weight training and arm care they do at 10 years old has no shot at affecting kids arms. He has it figured out.
i didnt figure out shite. all you ahve to do is go talk to the experts in the field like DR heenan, eric cressey, driveline, bill miller etc
but i already told you this but instead of actualyl going to educate yourself...you just run that cock sucker of yours.
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