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re: Designer babies aren’t futuristic. They’re already here.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:58 pm to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:58 pm to NYNolaguy1
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I am curious what this board thinks of this. Good? Bad?
This is not a good idea. Some people do not need to be breeding. Instead of being selfish and subjecting their children to whichever disease markers they carry or trying to play God, they shouldn't procreate. In the end, this genetic modifications will be used for evil.
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 1:01 pm to NYNolaguy1
What if it doesnt "work"? Can the parents kill the kid off because they were duped??
Posted on 10/26/18 at 1:04 pm to NYNolaguy1
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changing the genetics.
But they are.
They are manipulating the odds in genetics, but not the genetics themselves. They are enhancing natural selection.
They cannot test an embryo for every disease, like in Gattaca. I don’t see the divide occurring like the “Faith Births” in the movie. Once we have the technology to test for all genetic abnormalities, I could see it developing. Not a designer baby per se, but definitely a different process for selecting a mate. Genetic inheritance would become more mainstream and technology based, vs the current system of appearance, wealth, and other superfluous type “analysis”.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 3:30 pm to NYNolaguy1
Whenever I finally get the green light to do IVF we are doing PGS(preimplantation genetic screening). For many women (especially my age) it is recommended to do this. It is a little different than PGD but basically same premise. PGS will screen all the embryos to determine if they have enough chromosomes, since many miscarriages are due to chromosomal abnormalities. They basically determine the “best” quality embryo. Usually when you are doing PGS you are only transferring one embryo (so no risk of multiples).
The added bonus of PGS for me....lessens my worry about Down syndrome. Since that is caused by incorrect amount of chromosomes....if I already know the embryo has the correct amount of chromosomes....then I know the embryo won’t have DS.
It is not covered by insurance, costs an additional 3-4K on top of the $$$$ we are paying out of pocket for IVF.
If I had a genetic disorder that could be sorted out with PGD....I absolutely would have done that.
It is stupid that insurance won’t cover this. Considering the lifetime medical costs you save to the consumer and insurance company by doing what you can to avoid having a child with severe genetic disorders.
The added bonus of PGS for me....lessens my worry about Down syndrome. Since that is caused by incorrect amount of chromosomes....if I already know the embryo has the correct amount of chromosomes....then I know the embryo won’t have DS.
It is not covered by insurance, costs an additional 3-4K on top of the $$$$ we are paying out of pocket for IVF.
If I had a genetic disorder that could be sorted out with PGD....I absolutely would have done that.
It is stupid that insurance won’t cover this. Considering the lifetime medical costs you save to the consumer and insurance company by doing what you can to avoid having a child with severe genetic disorders.
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:45 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Is it a big leap to then make the same decision for beauty, practicality, financial, or other pragmatic reasons?
Hope this happens. Let’s breed some better drivers at least.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:46 pm to CoachChappy
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This is not a good idea. Some people do not need to be breeding. Instead of being selfish and subjecting their children to whichever disease markers they carry or trying to play God, they shouldn't procreate. In the end, this genetic modifications will be used for evil.
Spoken like someone with zero life experience
Posted on 10/26/18 at 4:50 pm to Fat and Happy
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This is a really bad idea. If we want to play God and “create” a perfect person and not let life play out, it will only end badly. Just like the movie Jurassic Park said, life will find a way
Removing a genetic predisposition does not equal creating a perfect person.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 8:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Using a technology called pre-implantation genetic testing, they could pick the embryos that had not inherited the DYT1 mutation
Awesome. We sent 8 souls down from heaven and will kill 7 of them.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:23 pm to crazycubes
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Awesome. We sent 8 souls down from heaven and will kill 7 of them
Don't be stupid. Most embryos that contain a mutation don't end in a live birth. They didn't have 8 healthy embryos they knew would result in live birth. IVF is expensive as frick. I was given a 1% chance of naturally conceiving and went through 2 IUIs and 2 major surgeries before IVF, I didn't have a reason family history wise to do genetic testing. But, if there was a history of issues I would have definitely paid to make sure the highest quality one was implanted as it means the highest chance at success.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:28 pm to HoustonChick86
I was about to say...8 embryos?! That is a lot.
People just don't get how truly difficult IVF really is. It is no guarantee. You could do 8 rounds of it and never get pregnant or you could be successful on your first round. You maybe have a 30-50% shot of it working. Not the best odds...but many times it is still your best and only shot of conceiving.
People just don't get how truly difficult IVF really is. It is no guarantee. You could do 8 rounds of it and never get pregnant or you could be successful on your first round. You maybe have a 30-50% shot of it working. Not the best odds...but many times it is still your best and only shot of conceiving.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:29 pm to lsunurse
This won’t work out. Watch gattaca. So it is written. So it is said.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:31 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Designer babies
Eugenics - we should just call it what it really is.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:31 pm to NYNolaguy1
Life threw us some curve balls and at 43 and 41 we are having our first in a few days (max) . We had very limited window for harvesting and fertilizing due to cancer and age. Genetic testing was huge for us, given these factors.
I do feel like we're playing God sometimes, but it is hard to draw the line. Modern technology gives us most of the medicines and even food/water availability we have today. Are all germ theory applications playing God?
Indeed a slippery slope in both (multiple) directions.
That's an interesting cost estimate for IVF and genetic testing. We found the IVF to be more than that and the testing a lot less (but we tested only three).
We have two embryos on ice, and I do feel obligated to make them into babies. So many issues. All of our embryos who survived passed genetic testing though so we didn't make any decisions on which ones to transfer or keep etc.
I do feel like we're playing God sometimes, but it is hard to draw the line. Modern technology gives us most of the medicines and even food/water availability we have today. Are all germ theory applications playing God?
Indeed a slippery slope in both (multiple) directions.
That's an interesting cost estimate for IVF and genetic testing. We found the IVF to be more than that and the testing a lot less (but we tested only three).
We have two embryos on ice, and I do feel obligated to make them into babies. So many issues. All of our embryos who survived passed genetic testing though so we didn't make any decisions on which ones to transfer or keep etc.
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:34 pm to lsunurse
We got one cycle canceled due to low response to medicine. The second round we got 3 eggs, which resulted in 3 embryos. 2 great, 1 not so great. We implanted the 2 great ones and got 1 amazing son. So even the great ones dont stick.
So I wouldn't call IVF having a designer baby because you use the info you have to up your chances of success.
So I wouldn't call IVF having a designer baby because you use the info you have to up your chances of success.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:36 pm to McLemore
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We have two embryos on ice, and I do feel obligated to make them into babies.
Could always put the embryos up for adoption. When we signed our mountain of consents for IVF that is the decision we had if we had a baby and actually had extra embryos. There are definite ethical dilemmas with the whole thing.
Those consents are crazy aren't they? Every possible legal scenario. We had to decide and sign paperwork on who would get custody of the embryos in the event we divorced.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 9:47 pm to JetsetNuggs
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Slippery slope. It'd be great to rid humanity of some historically bad ailments, but people will undoubtedly take it to ridiculous lengths.
It is not a slippery slope, it is a guaranteed slope.
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:00 pm to NYNolaguy1
maybe this way they can find a cure for my cousins fibromyalgia
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:04 pm to lsunurse
My wife and I had 5 embryos. First round we did 1, and it didn’t work. Second round we did 2, and we ended up getting an awesome little boy. We’ve still got 2 frozen, but I knocked her up the old fashioned way with another boy due in March. We’re going to let someone adopt the last 2. My wife feels kind of weird about that, but I told her to think about how she felt when we thought it might not work for us and how we can hopefully help another couple out
Posted on 10/26/18 at 10:06 pm to jchamil
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My wife feels kind of weird about that, but I told her to think about how she felt when we thought it might not work for us and how we can hopefully help another couple out
Also...it might be the only way a couple can afford to conceive or the only way they can even if they could afford IVF. I would imagine embryo adoption/transfer is wayyy cheaper than IVF cycles.
ETA: I was firm that I did NOT want embryos destroyed or used for training purposes.
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 10:09 pm
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