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Designer babies aren’t futuristic. They’re already here.

Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:34 am
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:34 am
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Matthew was lucky. His was a mild version of DYT1 dystonia, and injections of Botox in his knee helped. But the genetic mutation can cause severe symptoms: contractures in joints or deformities in the spine. Many patients are put on psychoactive medications, and some require surgery for deep brain stimulation.

Their kids, Matthew and Olivia were told, might not be as lucky. They would have a 50–50 chance of inheriting the gene variant that causes dystonia and, if they did, a 30% chance of developing the disease. The risk of a severely affected child was fairly small, but not insignificant.

My friends learned there was an alternative. They could undergo in vitro fertilization and have their embryos genetically tested while still in a laboratory dish. Using a technology called pre-implantation genetic testing, they could pick the embryos that had not inherited the DYT1 mutation.

It would be expensive—costs for IVF in the US average over $20,000 for each try, and testing can add $10,000 or more. And it would require an unpleasant two-week process of ovarian stimulation and egg harvesting. “It wasn’t the way I saw myself making a baby,” Olivia told me. But they wanted what the procedure could offer them: a guarantee that dystonia was eliminated for the next generation, and beyond.

Matthew and Olivia don’t think of themselves as having a “designer baby.” That term has negative associations, suggesting something trivial, discretionary, or unethical. They weren’t choosing eye color or trying to boost their kid’s SAT score. They were looking out for the health and well-­being of their future child, as parents should.


MIT Technology Review

I am curious what this board thinks of this. Good? Bad? Should technology be genetically benefitting only those with sufficient means?
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106036 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:37 am to
Putting in my order for a major league shortstop. Think of the money I'll save on travel ball.
Posted by JetsetNuggs
Member since Jun 2014
15610 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:38 am to
Slippery slope. It'd be great to rid humanity of some historically bad ailments, but people will undoubtedly take it to ridiculous lengths.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104449 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:38 am to
Don't see how eliminating genetic defects is a bad thing.

My wife and I had to do IVF, if there were any conditions like this in either family, we'd have done testing.
Posted by buffbraz
Member since Nov 2005
5761 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:40 am to
If I was guaranteed to have a baby that was genetically normal (not enhanced), as opposed to risking mental retardation, or any other number of teratogenicities/genetic abnormalities, I would take it.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21836 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:41 am to
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Don't see how eliminating genetic defects is a bad thing.



I think the idea is somewhere down the line you have a genetically superior group of people with financial means that separate themselves from the larger population. Does that hurt or benefit society? There was a good movie called Gattaca and a book called Brave New World that dealt with this exactly.
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 11:42 am
Posted by BurningHeart
Member since Jan 2017
10130 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:42 am to
I can't wait until I can customize a baby like you customize a Call of Duty character.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
22939 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:46 am to
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I think the idea is somewhere down the line you have a genetically superior group of people with financial means that separate themselves from the larger population. Does that hurt or benefit society? There was a good movie called Gattaca and a book called Brave New World that dealt with this exactly.



Then there's the Idiocracy theory. While one couple might do the IVF/Genetic Screening for their first kid, Clevon is in a TransAm behind a Dollar General on the other side of town working on kid #5.

The whole IVF deal is a miracle but can also be a little uncomfortable. My wife and I are about to go through our third and final round with genetic testing included. There are times where I feel like we're creating a player for EA Sports College Football or something.
This post was edited on 10/26/18 at 11:49 am
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21836 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:51 am to
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While one couple might do the IVF/Genetic Screening for their first kid, Clevon is in a TransAm behind a Dollar General on the other side of town working on kid #5.


Right, so what was a socio-economic issue becomes more concrete and immobile with genetics involved now.

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The whole IVF deal is a miracle but can also be a little uncomfortable. My wife and I are about to go through our third and final round with genetic testing included. There are times where I feel like we're creating a player for EA Sports College Football or something.


Just dont move north and you'll be fine. College football isnt nearly as big up here .
Posted by TheAlmightySmash
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2014
5493 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:55 am to
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I am curious what this board thinks of this


full steam ahead
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
20239 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 11:59 am to
This is a really bad idea. If we want to play God and “create” a perfect person and not let life play out, it will only end badly.

Just like the movie Jurassic Park said, life will find a way.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:00 pm to
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Don't see how eliminating genetic defects is a bad thing.


This.

When it comes to changing the baby's height, eye color, etc. by that manipulating their genetic code, that is when it gets ethically very gray.

But only implanting embryos without a genetic condition is not really changing the genetics. They're just selecting the ones that are healthy.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:01 pm to
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This is a really bad idea. If we want to play God and “create” a perfect person and not let life play out, it will only end badly.

Just like the movie Jurassic Park said, life will find a way.



The story in the OP isn't about altering any genetic code. They embryos have a 50/50 shot of having dystonia, so they're just selecting the ones without it for IVF.

This is not genetic manipulation.
Posted by ithad2bme
Houston transplant from B.R.
Member since Sep 2008
3732 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:04 pm to
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people with financial means


I wonder what the cut off for this will be? Top 5% of earners, top 1%?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21836 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:16 pm to
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I wonder what the cut off for this will be? Top 5% of earners, top 1%?


How many people can afford $20k each time they want to get pregnant? Keep in mind this isnt covered by insurance.
Posted by LSUBoo
Knoxville, TN
Member since Mar 2006
104449 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:17 pm to
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Keep in mind this isnt covered by insurance.


It is in some states.

If other cheaper less invasive methods don't work.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64652 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:21 pm to
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Slippery slope. It'd be great to rid humanity of some historically bad ailments, but people will undoubtedly take it to ridiculous lengths.


Murphys Law applies.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21836 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:21 pm to
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They embryos have a 50/50 shot of having dystonia, so they're just selecting the ones without it for IVF.


So we keep doing this for health reasons, at least those with means do, and as technology advances you eventually have a separate class of people genetically superior than those without means to pay for generations of this.

Eventually the poor start having shorter life spans and the economic divide really starts growing.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21836 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:24 pm to
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But only implanting embryos without a genetic condition is not really changing the genetics.


But they are. They are ensuring their offspring will never genetically get this condition and their quality of life will be better.

Is it a big leap to then make the same decision for beauty, practicality, financial, or other pragmatic reasons?
Posted by McCaigBro69
TigerDroppings Premium Member
Member since Oct 2014
45349 posts
Posted on 10/26/18 at 12:47 pm to
Couple people in my family have done IVF.

Aunt did it and had her child last year after three tries. She is older in age and this way the only route for her and her husband.

My sister and her husband are going to do it as well because of an inability to do it the normal route.

I see nothing wrong with it if you have the means to do so and aren’t doing it just to do it this way.
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