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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today

Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:13 pm to
Posted by Gnar Cat21
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:13 pm to
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Posted by lsutigersFTW
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:17 pm to
Let’s call a spade a spade, the first couple of witnesses that the prosecution called were kind of a joke, as the first couple of witnesses that the defense calls up will be. But the prosecution handled the first witnesses way better than the defense has to this point. The defense got eviscerated today
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 4:18 pm
Posted by hnds2th
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:17 pm to
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ny highlights from the testimony


It really wasn’t what he said, but more his physical demeanor. In the end, he said dc acted in a reasonable manner.
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:18 pm to
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So you're upset that the witness isn't answering the way you want him too


nah im not upset that he lost credibility and exposed his by admitting he cant tell the difference in resisting and struggling to breath, but insists it was resistance.
Posted by hubreb
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:18 pm to
Surprised they let prosecution lie about bruises on knock and shoulder
Posted by JDPndahizzy
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:20 pm to
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Surprised they let prosecution lie about bruises on knock and shoulder



I caught that.. He was talking about the front of the shoulder which the defense didn't clear up for the record.
Posted by jlovel7
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:21 pm to
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Surprised they let prosecution lie about bruises on knock and shoulder


Was that a lie?
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:22 pm to
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Surprised they let prosecution lie about bruises on knock and shoulder



that is the truth unless you believe the autopsy is a lie:
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C. Cutaneous blunt force injuries of the shoulders, hands,
elbows, and legs

oulders and Extremities
? 8 cm maximum dimension purple contusion with 4.5 cm maximum
dimension aggregate of linear red abrasions, anterolateral
right shoulder
? 2 cm maximum dimension red L-shaped scratch, superior right
shoulder
? 14 cm maximum dimension pink-purple contusion with a
discontinuous 8 cm maximum dimension dried red-black
abrasion, left shoulder
Posted by DavidTheGnome
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:25 pm to
I missed everything today, can somebody catch me up on what happened? Is the prosecutions side over and now we are on the defensive side?
Posted by Tiguar
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:29 pm to
What you fail to realize “not being able to tell” ain’t gonna meet the burden of “beyond a reasonable doubt”

People like you are looking for witnesses to tell them their view is plausible rather than their view is correct beyond reasonable doubt.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 4:30 pm
Posted by AMS
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:29 pm to
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I missed everything today, can somebody catch me up on what happened? Is the prosecutions side over and now we are on the defensive side?



yup.
defense talked about a past arrest/OD.
defense called a use of force expert who cant tell the difference in struggling to breath vs resisting police but insists it was resistance.
Posted by hnds2th
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:37 pm to
Did anyone just catch the exchange on court tv?
Posted by JDPndahizzy
JDP
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:38 pm to
Yep
Posted by roadGator
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:39 pm to
How much weight was on your hero’s shoulder?
Posted by hubreb
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:39 pm to
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I missed everything today, can somebody catch me up on what happened? Is the prosecutions side over and now we are on the defensive side?


The defenses use of force expert has much more experience than either of the prosecutions, which happened to contradict one another...he has also been used by Minneapolis as an expert witness by the prosecution in a use of force case prior to this case
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:39 pm to
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missed everything today, can somebody catch me up on what


Defense is up to bat. Defense presented a witness that testified that Floyd was still resisting even after handcuffed. Both prosecution team and Nelson had their moments.
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6537 posts
Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:40 pm to
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What you fail to realize “not being able to tell” ain’t gonna meet the burden of “beyond a reasonable doubt”


you mixed up sides here. the defense expert couldn't tell the difference. the defense presented that the resistance justified the force, although self contradictory as they cannot tell the difference between resisting and struggling to breath. In general police have to be able to justify their use of force, otherwise it is unlawful use of force.

the prosecution laid evidence that he was struggling to breath and the defense cant tell the difference between the two.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 4:42 pm
Posted by hnds2th
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:42 pm to
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Yep


Did I hear correctly? 50,272 disclosures?? Or 41 disclosures with 50k date stamps?
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:42 pm to
I’m not mixing up anything.

Fact of the matter is, as of the prosecution resting, the verdict is “not guilty”. The prosecution did not prove the case with their own witnesses.

Nelson could take a knee right now and win.

Pun intended.
Posted by SOSFAN
Blythewood
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 4:43 pm to
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The defense got eviscerated today


Are you watching a different trial because you're way off on this one.
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