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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:47 pm to LightMerchant
Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:47 pm to LightMerchant
Let's listen to Bakers words.
the restraint was the final straw that broke that camel's proverbial back.
the restraint was legal.
Baker is not saying Chauvin is personally responsible. He is saying this.
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“ In my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take, by virtue of those heart conditions," Baker concluded.“ In my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take, by virtue of those heart conditions," Baker concluded.
the restraint was the final straw that broke that camel's proverbial back.
the restraint was legal.
Baker is not saying Chauvin is personally responsible. He is saying this.
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“ In my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take, by virtue of those heart conditions," Baker concluded.
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Posted on 4/9/21 at 10:50 pm to AMS
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it may be a legal method if used properly, but the restraint was no longer justifiable
already been covered. it was still justified for the same reason the paramedics did a "grab and go".
At some point you are going to need to admit the prosecution has done a horrible job trying to prove anything. Either that, or there was nothing ever to prove in the first place.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:06 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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The airway has to be pressed against something to compress, it’s too rigid. If you push posterior from the front you are pushing it against the vertebrae and causing minor compression. If you press from the side what are you pushing against?
we already debunked your hypopharynx compression is not possible nonsense. try to reread the quote.
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In all cases of lateral movement, still there was very visible compression of the postcricoid hypopharynx by either the anterior portion of the vertebral body or the deep neck muscles lateral to the vertebral body.
Notably, this compression was to the same degree as in subjects in whom the cricoid was midline during the application of CP.
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Most of the larynx is within and connected to the hypopharynx (Fig. 13-1). Inferiorly, the larynx is connected to
the trachea at the same level at which the hypopharynx is
connected to the esophagus. P
ahhh so with some basic anatomy for ya. the airtube is within and connected to the hypopharynx, is compressible and at the same degree of midline compression in all cases of lateral movement. .
you can replicate this yourself just push your hand into the hypopharynx region, it is harder to breath. its not rocket surgery.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:14 pm to Rebel
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Baker is not saying Chauvin is personally responsible. He is saying this. quote: “ In my opinion, the law enforcement subdual, restraint and the neck compression was just more than Mr. Floyd could take, by virtue of those heart conditions," Baker concluded.
Yes, law enforcement action was more than Floyd could take and resulted in his death, a homicide. Death by homicide.
The law enforcement action that produced death was performed by Chauvin.
Chauvin’s action was more than Floyd’s heart could take.
Chauvin caused Floyd’s death.
Whether Chauvin is criminally liable is another matter.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:20 pm to LightMerchant
There is no way he’s walking out that courtroom. Evidence be damned, he’s getting convicted.
Posted on 4/9/21 at 11:29 pm to supadave3
Well, he’s probably guilty of some sort of negligence / disregard for human life.
If he shows concern that Floyd might be dying, I’m not seeing it.
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This is unknowable, but I think it likely Chauvin’s mindset was “I’m so sick of these effers” and despite his blank expression he was acting out his anger with the pin of Floyd that in his anger became excessive.
Whether the “effers” are simply criminals or black criminals, take your pick. He apparently had a history of excessive force. It finally caught up to him.
He didn’t intend for Floyd to die. But he was excessive and he was indifferent to Floyd’s condition.
If he shows concern that Floyd might be dying, I’m not seeing it.
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This is unknowable, but I think it likely Chauvin’s mindset was “I’m so sick of these effers” and despite his blank expression he was acting out his anger with the pin of Floyd that in his anger became excessive.
Whether the “effers” are simply criminals or black criminals, take your pick. He apparently had a history of excessive force. It finally caught up to him.
He didn’t intend for Floyd to die. But he was excessive and he was indifferent to Floyd’s condition.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 12:14 am to LightMerchant
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I think it likely Chauvin’s mindset was “I’m so sick of these effers” and despite his blank expression he was acting out his anger with the pin of Floyd that in his anger became excessive.
At least you've shown your bias.
Your bias to assume Chauvins mental processes.
You haven't served in law enforcement, have you? You haven't had to confront and subdue and handcuff a larger man, when he clearly is resisting, have you?
You haven't had to fear that your life may end, if you allow a resister freedom to potentially attack you and kill you, have you?
Posted on 4/10/21 at 12:20 am to East Coast Band
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You haven't served in law enforcement, have you? You haven't had to confront and subdue and handcuff a larger man, when he clearly is resisting, have you? You haven't had to fear that your life may end, if you allow a resister freedom to potentially attack you and kill you, have you?
Okay, I think it should be not guilty verdict but cut bs like it was one on one here. There 4 or 5 officers packing heat subduing GF
This post was edited on 4/10/21 at 12:27 am
Posted on 4/10/21 at 12:23 am to LightMerchant
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He didn’t intend for Floyd to die.
"This is unknowable". You certainly don't know that.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 12:23 am to LightMerchant
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He apparently had a history of excessive force. It finally caught up to him
Odd. This hasn't been mentioned once.
:themoreyaknow:
Posted on 4/10/21 at 2:45 am to LightMerchant
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This is unknowable, but I think it likely Chauvin’s mindset was “I’m so sick of these effers” and despite his blank expression he was acting out his anger with the pin of Floyd that in his anger became excessive.
Whether the “effers” are simply criminals or black criminals, take your pick. He apparently had a history of excessive force. It finally caught up to him.
Well i think it’s likely that GF’s mindset was “I’m gonna go to jail if the cops find these drugs on me, so I’m gonna just go ahead and eat the rest of them.”
Floyd had a medically documented history of overdosing on these very same kind of pills - in fact, he was hospitalized twice for ODs just two months prior to his death. The fentanyl/heroin laced pills and the methamphetamine finally caught up to him.
Posted on 4/10/21 at 4:48 am to AMS
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In all cases of lateral movement, still there was very visible compression of the postcricoid hypopharynx by either the anterior portion of the vertebral body or the deep neck muscles lateral to the vertebral body. Notably, this compression was to the same degree as in subjects in whom the cricoid was midline during the application of CP.
Your inability to grasp this simple concept speaks volumes. Maybe a diagram from the very article you posted will help.
The article is talking about compression of the ESOPHAGUS which is the entire purpose of the article. Look at the postcrycoid hypopharynx (PCH) on the diagram. It’s the esophagus.
Now sit down and shut the frick up
This post was edited on 4/10/21 at 4:51 am
Posted on 4/10/21 at 5:13 am to WaWaWeeWa
Bottom line is the cause of death is unknown. Maybe this, maybe that. If it wasn’t 100% asphyxiation, why are we here?
This post was edited on 4/10/21 at 5:14 am
Posted on 4/10/21 at 5:55 am to LightMerchant
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Chauvin caused Floyd’s death.
You threw out.
1. Severe heart disease
2. Using multiple drugs before arrest
3. Meth is really bad for severe heart disease
4. 90% clogged artery
5. Resisted arrest.. increases demand for oxygen
6. Stated he could not breathe 15 times when no one was touching him
7. Begged to lay down in street.
8. Continued to kick officers as they subdual him
But Chauvin killed him?
Posted on 4/10/21 at 5:58 am to LightMerchant
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If the ME rules homicide he is ruling that another person caused the death.
IF his finding was that Chauvin was merely “involved” but did not cause the death, it wouldn’t be homicide.
You didn't listen to the ME explain the options for cause of death
Posted on 4/10/21 at 7:28 am to East Coast Band
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At least you've shown your bias. Your bias to assume Chauvins mental processes. You haven't served in law enforcement, have you? You haven't had to confront and subdue and handcuff a larger man, when he clearly is resisting, have you? You haven't had to fear that your life may end, if you allow a resister freedom to potentially attack you and kill you, have you?
I can have suspicions as to what was in Chauvin’s mind and still judge the legal case fairly. Just as one can have suspicion as to what was going on with Floyd’s motivation in resisting and can even be biased against Floyd as a person yet still judge the legal case fairly. Jury members all have biases. But they put them to the side as best they can when it is called upon to do so.
No, I have not served in LE. But I have done hundreds of hours of ride-alongs and I have been present for scores of arrests and witnessed countless situations wherein police had to deal with combative, physically powerful subjects. And there were no doubt times where I felt fear and was potentially in danger if the combative subject broke free. A buddy of mine was killed while doing what I was doing. A rookie officer I was working with was shot and killed in the line of duty, I attended his funeral. So I knew then and know today the danger full well.
So no, I am not naive as to the dangers Police face or in any manner anti-police. I had a parent who was NOPD. And I have worked extensively with NOPD, JPSO, LSP, Corrections. On the streets, in OPP, and in Huntsville & Angola. I may be the only person alive to have been banned from Angola Prison. But that’s a story for another day.
So, not LE. But I have personal experience in LE and I am definitely aware of the dangers in policing. And sympathetic to the job with which police are tasked.
That tasking is one thing people often do not get when it comes to police immunity and police being treated differently- the police were tasked by us, the people. Chauvin was only there that day because WE put him there. Whatever mistakes he made or bad acts he committed were in carrying out a task WE all asked him to perform, on OUR behalf. Which in a sense makes us all culpable. I’m probably not presenting it well, but the general idea is that yes we treat cops differently than a “regular” person b/c cops are acting on our behalf, at our request. And a “regular” person is not. Mistakes and bad acts by police were in our service, so we cut them slack where we otherwise would not. Which I think should be done here, with Officer Chauvin.
This post was edited on 4/10/21 at 7:35 am
Posted on 4/10/21 at 7:35 am to LightMerchant
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But I have done hundreds of hours of ride-alongside
You sound like a psycho
Posted on 4/10/21 at 7:40 am to momentoftruth87
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He apparently had a history of excessive force. It finally caught up to him Odd. This hasn't been mentioned once.
That is because, if I am not mistaken, the judge ruled it inadmissible.
“ Chauvin’s record as a police officer in Minneapolis was littered with allegations of misconduct and excessive force. Eighteen complaints were filed against him over his 19-year career, according to CNN and Insider’s Haven Orecchio-Egresitz.
Chauvin had a reputation for being overly aggressive and combative, according to the nightclub owner who employed him as a security guard.“
Posted on 4/10/21 at 7:45 am to cable
Just doing a job. One that pays very well.
But yeah, at times it requires being a little bit psycho. So maybe I am mental, who knows.
Back to the trial now, please. It is far more interesting than my rambling self-aggrandizing.
But yeah, at times it requires being a little bit psycho. So maybe I am mental, who knows.
Back to the trial now, please. It is far more interesting than my rambling self-aggrandizing.
This post was edited on 4/10/21 at 7:47 am
Posted on 4/10/21 at 7:46 am to Dominate308
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why are we here?
Politics. Nothing more, nothing less.
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