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Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:50 am to Brown Dog
Yes, and unfortunately no one knows what that number would be in Floyd except God.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:51 am to SOSFAN
To put it another way. If the title of the video was....
“Man murdered by cop”
The response to watching the video is.... Duh get off his neck!
If the title is
“Cop murdered by overdosing felon”
The response to watching the video is... Duh don’t get off the high lunatic’s back!
Arm chair quarterbacking 101 by people who have the luxury of not wrestling 6 foot 6 convicted felons high on meth and fentanyl.
“Man murdered by cop”
The response to watching the video is.... Duh get off his neck!
If the title is
“Cop murdered by overdosing felon”
The response to watching the video is... Duh don’t get off the high lunatic’s back!
Arm chair quarterbacking 101 by people who have the luxury of not wrestling 6 foot 6 convicted felons high on meth and fentanyl.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 8:52 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:52 am to Brown Dog
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Have a question with regards to drug tolerance. Is my understanding that one's tolerance to a drug develops with extended use and that one would need 'need/take' more of the drug to achieve the desired high. Does tolerance increase the amount of drug needed to become fatal/od?
The answer is yes it takes more but it also takes more to reach the desired high which leads to more overdoses. An addicts mind tells him he needs more and more and its that little bit extra you take that ends it for you.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:52 am to SOSFAN
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The biggest issue with this case is its already been tried and Chauvin found guilty in the public forum 100% because of the narrative the media set.
There's video of Chauvin kneeling on his neck while he's limp. It doesn't take much of a media narrative for the public to conclude this was unnecessary and at least contributed to his death.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:53 am to WaWaWeeWa
Cuck MN mayor giving a presser now warning outside agitators that there will not be chaos and he’s bringing in the national guard 
Not guilty
Not guilty
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:59 am to TK421
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There's video of Chauvin kneeling on his neck while he's limp. It doesn't take much of a media narrative for the public to conclude this was unnecessary and at least contributed to his death.
You're the perfect example of what we have been discussing. You have bought into the media narrative and totally ignore other information. You have seen the video angle shot across the street but the cops cam shows Chauvins knee on Floyds back in between the shoulder blades. With his pants extended over it looks like its always on his neck but we now know thats false. And you're right it doesn't take much of a false nedia narrative to convict someone in the publics eyes.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 9:07 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:00 am to momentoftruth87
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Tolerance isn't an excuse, especiallywl when one is over lethal limits. It's sad the defense is using this, but he was portrayed as such a great guy.
You’re getting emotional. Might as well say “fricking junkie”! Might be true but plays poorly in court.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:01 am to dragonNRG45
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This post was edited on 7/17/21 at 9:25 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:05 am to WaWaWeeWa
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I don’t completely disagree with you, but hindsight is effecting your views
If I showed you a variation of the Floyd video where the cop quickly gets off his back, Floyd escapes and murders the cop... you would say he should have stayed on Floyd’s back longer
If I showed you a variation where Floyd goes unconscious but wakes up shortly after and survives you would likely not have an issue.
It’s only after you know the final outcome that you look at chauvins actions the way you do. And everyone knew the outcome before they watched the video.
Again, you are insinuating that I believe Chauvin did something wrong. I said I think his actions contributed to the death of George Floyd and it would be up to testimony from people trained in law enforcement subdual and procedures to decide. Subdual of a resisting person is not without risks.
I’m not sure how I can make my point any clearer.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 9:11 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:07 am to TK421
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There's video of Chauvin kneeling on his neck while he's limp. It doesn't take much of a media narrative for the public to conclude this was unnecessary and at least contributed to his death.
Hypothetically, what if he was limp because he was dead from a drug OD? Would him continuing to kneel on his neck still be a contributing factor in his death?
Approximately what is the amount of pressure to ones neck that contributes to death? How much pressure was Chauvin applying?
I’m not saying Chauvin isn’t guilty of one of these charges yet, but I also haven’t heard all the evidence yet and whether or not Chauvin violated protocol that led to his death.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 9:10 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:08 am to SOSFAN
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You have seen the video angle shot across the street but the cops cam shows Chauvins knee on Floyds back in between the shoulder blades
Should this have continued after Floyd no longer had a pulse?
Of course not. At the very least, Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for his life.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:10 am to Yellerhammer5
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Again, you are insinuating that I believe Chauvin did something wrong. I said I think his actions resulted in the death of George Floyd and it would be up to testimony from people trained in law enforcement subdual and procedures to decide. Subdual of a resisting person is not without risks. I’m not sure how I can make my point any clearer.
That’s fine. But it’s a long winded way of saying you don’t want to commit to a verdict of guilty or not guilty. You are trying to play both sides of the fence and appease everyone, ignoring that a decision needs to be made.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:11 am to TK421
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Should this have continued after Floyd no longer had a pulse?
Did it continue after Floyd no longer had a pulse?
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:11 am to WaWaWeeWa
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That’s fine. But it’s a long winded way of saying you don’t want to commit to a verdict of guilty or not guilty. You are trying to play both sides of the fence and appease everyone, ignoring that a decision needs to be made.
Another way to look at it is that I would like to hear from experts in a field that I know almost nothing about before forming a definitive opinion on the matter.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 9:12 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:14 am to TK421
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Should this have continued after Floyd no longer had a pulse?
Of course not. At the very least, Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for his life.
Probably not, but does that fit one of the charges against DC?
Look, I agree. I think he knelt on GF far too long. I also think he followed protocol. At this point, I think DC fricked up and did a dickhead thing....but I don’t think he has been proven guilty on the charges against him
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:14 am to TK421
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At the very least, Chauvin showed a reckless disregard for his life.
Wrong. Floyd showed reckless disregard for his own life when he decided to break the law while high on meth and fentanyl then resisting arrest.
There were many instances where Floyd could have decided differently and saved his own life.
There is an inherent risk in his behavior. Just like sky diving. No one gets up in arms when someone’s parachute doesn’t deploy. They say “that’s the risk you take”.
Well would you say there is risk involved in taking meth and fentanyl, breaking the law, then resisting arrest?
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:17 am to TK421
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There's video of Chauvin kneeling on his neck while he's limp. It doesn't take much of a media narrative for the public to conclude this was unnecessary and at least contributed to his death.
Maybe. This was a limited amount of time..maybe a minute and ems was on site. Prior to that..4-5 minutes he was very vocal and communicating with the crowd. Floyd had already injured himself and was clearly on drugs and/or mentally unstable. We now know he swallowed pills, had drugs in system, was an addict, sat outside a crime scene in a car for 20 minutes with two people that have dealt drugs. It is impossible (unless damage was shown physically in autopsy) to know how much pressure was being applied. Argument can be made he was keeping him restrained for ems (which you can hear in background when they first check pulse). Hearing him say the exact words over and over PRIOR to being taken down leads anybody to believe he could in fact breathe. Reminder, he was even taken to ground because he wouldn’t get in the car not out of some over use of force. Floyd was the aggressor. Now, the fact two officers checked his pulse and didn’t change course will play against that. That window was small but will be important. The fact medical was appropriately/timely called and supported that the scene was hostile helps defense.
ME and medical experts going to be the case. Is it conclusive the neck knee contributed in some way or not?
After that does what happened meet the MN standards for the charges against Chauvin?
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 9:20 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:19 am to RealDawg
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Now, the fact two officers checked his pulse and didn’t change course will play against that.
Is this true? Never heard that before. They checked his pulse and didn’t find one and continued to restrain him?
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