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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:57 am to LC412000
Posted on 4/2/21 at 7:57 am to LC412000
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I wonder if Baker had seen video of the incident before the autopsy and final report?
It’s actually documented by the detective that he did not view the videos prior to the autopsy, but did view them before making a determination.
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Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:02 am to Yellerhammer5
Ok I believe you. Thanks for clarifying.
Maybe you can also help me understand how he determines the cause of death with no supporting evidence in the autopsy. While it says in his own 20 page report that fentanyl toxicity has been seen in patients with blood concentrations of 3ng/ml. Floyd had 11ng/ml.
Maybe you can also help me understand how he determines the cause of death with no supporting evidence in the autopsy. While it says in his own 20 page report that fentanyl toxicity has been seen in patients with blood concentrations of 3ng/ml. Floyd had 11ng/ml.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:06 am to Yellerhammer5
Think the individuals who conducted the autopsy and submitted reports saw the video of the incident before the autopsy? I’m not much up to date on what is happening but I keep wondering if the pathologist was just presented a body with no evidence, what would be the final conclusions?
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:06 am to WaWaWeeWa
The dirty truth is that it’s an opinion based pretty much on reviewing video footage and his cause of death statement is very wishy washy. He will be busy on the stand.
There are no absolute cut offs for drug lethal limits. It’s also an opinion.
There are no absolute cut offs for drug lethal limits. It’s also an opinion.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:07 am to Yellerhammer5
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There are no absolute cut offs for drug lethal limits. It’s also an opinion.
I agree with that. The entire thing is an opinion not based on any evidence.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:08 am to WaWaWeeWa
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The entire thing is an opinion not based on any evidence.
That tends to be the case in these types of cases.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:11 am to Yellerhammer5
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There are no absolute cut offs for drug lethal limits. It’s also an opinio
Very true. Tolerance. Liver function. General illness. They all play a role.
Like the anecdotal stories of blood alcohol. Some people are blackout shite hammered at .130. While I’ve had a lucid conversation with a dude at .460. Was the only one I had. As his level dropped he began babbling and shaking with withdrawal. Guy was a daily professional.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:14 am to Yellerhammer5
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Here you go
Cause of death: Cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression
Manner of death: Homicide
In the comments it it says that the manner of death is a statuory function for statistical purposes and not a legal determination of culpability
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:15 am to LSU alum wannabe
Tolerance isn't an excuse, especiallywl when one is over lethal limits. It's sad the defense is using this, but he was portrayed as such a great guy.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:20 am to theenemy
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In the comments it it says that the manner of death is a statuory function for statistical purposes and not a legal determination of culpability
Always has been.
If you shoot someone who is breaking into your house to kill you, it’s a homicide. Nobody is going to convict or even bring charges.
If a toddler picks up a gun and pulls the trigger and hits and kills someone else - homicide.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 8:26 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:21 am to Yellerhammer5
You sir are smart, or learnt over the years how this shite is lol
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:22 am to Geekboy
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Not trolling
You're looked upon as trolling because you state your opinion normally in juvenile language and the immature argument comments you tend to make.
I think another reason is everyone has had the opportunity to find out more facts and the " slam dunk " case is no longer that but one that looks like Chauvin was absolutely overcharged due to the political climate but there are 3 posters on here that refuse to admit that and are sticking hard with " Chauvin is a killer". It appears those 3 are either naive or they, most likely, are political motivated.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 8:24 am
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:24 am to Geekboy
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Here’s a one second picture of the Hindenburg. I bet it really wasn’t on fire and didn’t eventually crash.
I see you have nothing intelligent to add to this conversation. Comparing the Hidenburg, to trying to pick out someones emotions/thoughts based on their face during a photo during a video shows your lack of intelligence
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:25 am to SOSFAN
And there's nothing racist about it. The cops were all nice to the other passengers. Floyd would be alive if he didn't resist 100 times.
Also, one thing I'm curious about is if Floyd lived, what his charges would have been. Would he go to prison for life w his record? I doubt any of that will be analyzed or matters.
Also, one thing I'm curious about is if Floyd lived, what his charges would have been. Would he go to prison for life w his record? I doubt any of that will be analyzed or matters.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:28 am to momentoftruth87
Here’s a scenario that I think is going to be played out once the experts start getting called to the stand and defense puts on its case
- defense will pull reports from the coroner where cause of death was OD for similar sized men with similar numbers.
- coroner will have to answer why a homicide when there were similar reports where OD was listed vs undetermined vs homicide in the GF case
- goal is to get coroner to describe that the knee exacerbated the effects of the drugs
- defense will attempt to set the narrative that the neither the restraint or the drugs would have killed GF, but, put them together, it was fatal. Therefore, the drugs were a significant contributing factor.
- defense will pull reports from the coroner where cause of death was OD for similar sized men with similar numbers.
- coroner will have to answer why a homicide when there were similar reports where OD was listed vs undetermined vs homicide in the GF case
- goal is to get coroner to describe that the knee exacerbated the effects of the drugs
- defense will attempt to set the narrative that the neither the restraint or the drugs would have killed GF, but, put them together, it was fatal. Therefore, the drugs were a significant contributing factor.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:30 am to SOSFAN
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but there are 3 posters on here that refuse to admit that and are sticking hard with " Chauvin is a killer"
I’m assuming you’re placing me in this category even though I’ve never said Chauvin should be convicted and have stated several times that I think it’s likely he goes free.
I think that chauvin’s actions contributed to Floyd’s death. As I said previously, I think it should come down to how closely Chauvin followed police procedure and if he responded appropriately given the circumstances going on at the time.
Just because I think compression contributed =/= that Chauvin should be convicted of murder, just as I don’t think every cop who fires his gun and kills should be charged and convicted either.
Apparently this is a controversial opinion in this thread.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:33 am to momentoftruth87
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, one thing I'm curious about is if Floyd lived, what his
Isn't passing counterfeit money a federal offense? So he would have gotten a federal charge and drug charges aling with resisting arrest.
Floyd had just copped drugs from his dealers plus he was high already. He didn't want to go to jail and lose his drugs so he panicked. Imo 90% of him yelling and crying and constantly saying he couldn't breathe was all for show in hopes they would let him go. The video that shows the drugs in his mouth is what got him in the end well that plus high blood pressure, sickle cell anemia, covid 19, and heart disease with blockage. That all together is a ticking time bomb.
Want to know how we know that the autopsy paid for by the family is a farce? All the medical issues I stated above yet their autopsy said it appeared he was in good health.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:39 am to Yellerhammer5
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Apparently this is a controversial opinion in this thread.
The biggest issue with this case is its already been tried and Chauvin found guilty in the public forum 100% because of the narrative the media set. They could have released the police cams months ago but didn't and all we saw were snippets designed to make Chauvin guilty and a killer. The media and BLM along with Sharpton and Crump have so inflamed their supporters that they don't care to see new evidence nor discuss it they only want Chauvin's blood.
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:43 am to Yellerhammer5
Have a question with regards to drug tolerance. Is my understanding that one's tolerance to a drug develops with extended use and that one would need 'need/take' more of the drug to achieve the desired high. Does tolerance increase the amount of drug needed to become fatal/od?
Posted on 4/2/21 at 8:44 am to Yellerhammer5
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I think that chauvin’s actions contributed to Floyd’s death. As I said previously, I think it should come down to how closely Chauvin followed police procedure and if he responded appropriately given the circumstances going on at the time.
I don’t completely disagree with you, but hindsight is effecting your views
If I showed you a variation of the Floyd video where the cop quickly gets off his back, Floyd escapes and murders the cop... you would say he should have stayed on Floyd’s back longer
If I showed you a variation where Floyd goes unconscious but wakes up shortly after and survives you would likely not have an issue.
It’s only after you know the final outcome that you look at chauvins actions the way you do. And everyone knew the outcome before they watched the video.
He followed police protocol for restraining someone resisting arrest high on meth and fentanyl. Was it stretching the protocol? Yes. But there is no clear violation.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 8:47 am
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