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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 2/14/23 at 3:50 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 2/14/23 at 3:50 pm to lsupride87
Maybe I missed it but I didn't hear her call him gay
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 3:52 pm to BilbeauTBaggins
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It makes more sense for the defense to try and find a way to defend the entirety of the video instead of cutting it up and hoping the prosecution doesn't realize, because they'll most certainly have the entire video.
Haley doesn't care about winning in the courtroom, he cares about making a name for himself on TV and creating a "divide in the community".
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:02 pm to DVA Tailgater
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Haley doesn't care about winning in the courtroom, he cares about making a name for himself on TV and creating a "divide in the community".
If I were going to defend him, I’d say this:
—In an age of social media, narrative becomes reality.
—You cannot allow the prosecution story to solidify.
—You must, therefore, constantly respond to any media announcement by the prosecution.
That’s what I’d say.
I disagree with the strategy because it is very high risk. Your effort to keep public opinion from solidifying will absolutely harden the position of the family. You are unlikely to get a plea deal from the prosecution without consensus of the victim’s relatives. So when you fight it in the media, you eliminate options for your clients. You are also motivating the DA and the investigators. And, as with Washington, you arguably are exposing your client to new charges for other crimes as other victims learn of the case.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:27 pm to JudgeHolden
Like I mentioned earlier in the thread, I would guess that for the family, how this turns out is about Madison's reputation to the public. People can sympathize with a young woman who was taken advantage of in a drunken state. But if the grand jury fails to indict and the charges are dropped or if it goes to trial and the pair are found not guilty, the public would likely get the impression that she was a whore that let men she barely knew run a train on her, including anal, in the backseat of a car in front of an audience.
Imagine what her parents and grandparents must think to the idea that she coherently consented to that? I mean, I know they don't want to hope she was raped, but on the other hand to think the girl you tried to raise right would just cheapen herself like that, it's painful either way. I mean, it would be bad enough if she was just crossing the street to get to class and got hit and killed by a car. But the whole situation just makes everything worse.
Imagine what her parents and grandparents must think to the idea that she coherently consented to that? I mean, I know they don't want to hope she was raped, but on the other hand to think the girl you tried to raise right would just cheapen herself like that, it's painful either way. I mean, it would be bad enough if she was just crossing the street to get to class and got hit and killed by a car. But the whole situation just makes everything worse.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:41 pm to clip11
As her family and friends may be checking this thread maybe go back and hit the EDIT button and tone down your assessment.
People will think what they think. This is why most rapes go unreported.
People will think what they think. This is why most rapes go unreported.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:51 pm to HodsonTiger13
Kiran has it as well:
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According to court records, the woman was at Reggie’s Bar for a birthday party when she had multiple alcoholic drinks and ran into an acquaintance, Karson Jones, 18, and some of his friends in the parking lot. Washington was in the group of friends that was outside in the parking lot.
The woman allegedly told Jones she was too drunk to drive home so asked if she could stay at his home with him on St. Rose Ave. in Baton Rouge. At the house, court records say Jones and the woman started having consensual sex when Jones allegedly “suddenly pinned her down and became increasingly aggressive, at which time she repeatedly told him to stop and he repeatedly ignored her.”
The victim told police that Jones “continued to hold her down and rape her” and that’s when Washington allegedly “joined the act when he walked over and proceeded to touch the victim’s breasts and vagina without her consent.”
The victim even had text messages and said they were from Kaivon Washington where he “apologized and admitted to touching the victim, but claimed it was a result of Jones grabbing his hand and pulled it to the victim.”
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Posted on 2/14/23 at 4:51 pm to HodsonTiger13
3rd? Trash. Just throw him away.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:03 pm to tigafan4life
Ascension parish should come up with a charge so he'll be 3 for 3 in the closest parishes to BR.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:32 pm to clip11
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if the grand jury fails to indict
If the grand jury fails to indict, it’s probably because the DA does not want to prosecute but also does not want to be the one responsible in the eyes of the public for making that decision. It’s not uncommon for a DA to go before the grand jury and explain that the evidence is not really there to win the case, that it would be a waste of resources to go to court, and that the grand jury should “no true bill” the case. If the grand jurors aren’t very smart, they’ll fall in line and do the DA’s bidding. That will allow the DA to then go to the families and tell them that he did his best to get an indictment, but the grand jury did not indict. It’s exactly the sort of bullshite that happens when a DA doesn’t want to look like the bad guy.
I’m not saying that this scenario is what will happen, only that if the GJ does NOT indict, this is a likely explanation for it. I have no idea what type of evidence the prosecution has in this case, but it is almost certainly enough to meet the burden of being sufficient to indict, which is a pretty low evidentiary standard.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:45 pm to CoastLSUFan
I know that, but what I mean is the reputation of her in the eyes of the public. Also, the memories that her family will have of her. I mean, if the grand jury fails to indict, the family will always wonder somewhere in their mind "could she really have consented to that"? And not her just consenting, but it was a direct link in a chain of events that led to her death.
If they get indicted and found guilty, it can put to rest that question in their minds if she really consented.
If they get indicted and found guilty, it can put to rest that question in their minds if she really consented.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 5:51 pm to clip11
I don’t think the family will think those negative thoughts about their daughter. Regardless of how this case shakes out in the end, I think a lot of people will sympathize with the victim and her family. If the perps aren’t found guilty, I think many people will think they got away with the crime—not that they are “innocent.” That’s just my opinion, but I cannot imagine people who loved her being swayed as you described by a judicial outcome.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:05 pm to CoastLSUFan
Truth.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:19 pm to HodsonTiger13
Trouble always seems to find ol'Kaivon at Reggies Bar
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:28 pm to HodsonTiger13
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3rd rape arrest today for Washington.
Looks like Tate owes Tiger Land bars an apology.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 6:56 pm to CoastLSUFan
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DA does not want to prosecute but also does not want to be the one responsible in the eyes of the public for making that decision.
This has been my fear since Grand Jury was first mentioned. Moore doesn’t want to take a chance on offending anyone.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:09 pm to JudgeHolden
So what is your opinion on what happens tomorrow based on what we know?
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:11 pm to 9rocket
Grand Jury is tomorrow. Should know something further there this week.
Judge Holden: Does the groping and handling of genitals = rape? Or is the holding the victim down making him a principal to the crime?
As for Madison's family, they've established a foundation and can't imagine what they're going through.
Years ago someone who had struggled with addiction said, "An addict is someone who, when they use, trouble follows."
Madison was exhibiting early signs of alcoholism - no 'got a buzz and stop' but drink to oblivion. Unfortunately, she was never able to get help and the perps that night took advantage of her condition.
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:12 pm to HodsonTiger13
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We will know tomorrow if he is there at the grand jury as he would be there to testify.
How will we know if it takes place in secret? The prison van goes into an enclosed area at 19 JDC. We won’t see a walk into the courthouse.
Eta: nevermind, he’s not in jail due to bonding out.
I’m dum.
This post was edited on 2/14/23 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 2/14/23 at 7:14 pm to clip11
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So what is your opinion on what happens tomorrow based on what we know?
1). It won’t all happen tomorrow. The grand jury will be seated and sworn. That takes time. And that’s before they get the first witness.
2). You will be able to tell something by who shows up. If Joe Long shows up with Carver, they’ve probably flipped him.
3). I would be shocked if the grand jury failed to indict.
4). Grand jury proceedings are secret. You won’t get lot of info. If any attorney comes out and makes a statement about what the grand jury heard, he is lying or in contempt of court.
That’s all I got, Birdseed.
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