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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:57 pm to JudgeHolden
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:57 pm to JudgeHolden
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he little stub of Archer off Jennifer Jean is pretty secluded. My guess is that’s where they were.
You mean Ashley Ave? Maybe so..I guess when I think secluded I think of some place.... well more secluded lol. Didnt the affidavit have a approximate location?
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 1:11 pm to ThuperThumpin
Sorry. I did mean Ashley.
I did not lean too hard on the address given in the affidavit.
I did not lean too hard on the address given in the affidavit.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 2:32 pm to Dire Wolf
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i wouldn't have a ton of faith in the legal system in Lousiana if i was black. Hell i am white and don't have a ton of faith in it.
The justice system is generally fair. No they may not get it right all the time, but it is reliably fair.
If we're doing EQUALITY under the law, we don't care about your race, sex, religious belief, sexual orientation, your fashion sense, where you came from or how you got here. If you commit first degree murder, you will be arrested and spend the rest of your life in prison. That's equality.
EQUITY is different. Equity says that "yeah, we know that young black men might commit most of the murders in New Orleans and Baton Rouge, but it's still not fair to have so many black men in prison. So we need to put more white men in prison or stop prosecuting black men in order to make things equal".
Posted on 2/9/23 at 2:38 pm to ThuperThumpin
Sure, but he stayed put until the acts were done and I would guess the area was secluded enough so they wouldn't readily be seen by passer-by's.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 3:05 pm to Dire Wolf
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I completely disagree but i can see how the thought process works.
Their thought process is stupid and yours is too for going along with it
Posted on 2/9/23 at 3:06 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Just for clarification the area was not secluded. Its less than a 5 minute walk from the bar on a street packed with duplexes. Which makes me think its possible, if not probable, that the driver did not pull over with the specific purpose of his buddies having sex with Madison, but probably was trying to get his bearings and figure out where to go next.
They might have been rolling and/or smoking a blunt
Posted on 2/9/23 at 3:08 pm to clip11
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I would guess the area was secluded enough so they wouldn't readily be seen by passer-by's.
Even so no one in that area would give two shits about some bodies thumpin in the back of a vehicle if they could even see in the vehicle.
I'm having a hard time imagining the two guys in the front just sitting there chilling quietly while their buddies raped a passed out girl in the back seat for a long period of time. I could be completely wrong but I imagine a bit more of a chaotic scene with drunk obnoxious teenagers that didnt last long (a few minutes) until the driver was like frick this non sense.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 4:08 pm to ThuperThumpin
quote:Three adults crammed in the backseat of a truck getting undressed had to be chaos before anything sexual ever started. How the hell do you maneuver?
I'm having a hard time imagining the two guys in the front just sitting there chilling quietly while their buddies raped a passed out girl in the back seat for a long period of time. I could be completely wrong but I imagine a bit more of a chaotic scene with drunk obnoxious teenagers that didnt last long (a few minutes) until the driver was like frick this non sense.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 4:28 pm to RT1941
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Three adults crammed in the backseat of a truck getting undressed had to be chaos before anything sexual ever started. How the hell do you maneuver?
Only two at a time. Washington left while the 17 year old did his thing, and so on.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 6:01 pm to JudgeHolden
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As long as he did not actually assault her or physically participate, he is the guy to plead out, I think.
We don’t know the BAC of the four men involved… that might invalidate any testimony they provide on their actions
Posted on 2/9/23 at 6:10 pm to JudgeHolden
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If his story is strong enough, that might force Carver and Washington to take the stand
I saw a picture of Carver and his family. It looks like he comes from a decent family. I can only imagine that his parents are leaning on him heavily to tell law enforcement everything he knows and to be 100 percent truthful. I can imagine his parents telling him "we told you to stop hanging out with them in the first place. We knew they weren't Nothing but trouble!"
I'm sure they have read him the riot act by now.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 6:12 pm to chalmetteowl
By the time they talked to police, any alcohol they consumed would have worked its way out of their system. From the evidence we have, they were sober enough. At least sober enough to get an erection and perform sexually
Posted on 2/9/23 at 6:14 pm to chalmetteowl
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We don’t know the BAC of the four men involved… that might invalidate any testimony they provide on their actions
How would their BACs invalidate anything? I think the affidavit states that the driver was interviewed at ~6:00p on the 15th or 16th. That was the first time he was seen by law enforcement regarding this incident. There was no reason to do a BAC test at that time, but if they had, why would it invalidate his testimony?
Posted on 2/9/23 at 6:16 pm to chalmetteowl
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We don’t know the BAC of the four men involved… that might invalidate any testimony they provide on their actions
Interviews will be videoed.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 6:16 pm to clip11
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By the time they talked to police
That was like hours later. I’m talking about their BAC while they were in the car, which might affect their recollections
Posted on 2/9/23 at 6:19 pm to chalmetteowl
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That was like hours later.
More like a day or two.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 6:23 pm to chalmetteowl
We can't know unless they were taken at the time. Kaivon and the 17 year old were sober enough to perform sexually in the back of a cramped car in the dark and then sober enough to wait outside the car while the other finished.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 6:56 pm to chalmetteowl
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That was like hours later. I’m talking about their BAC while they were in the car, which might affect their recollections
It's a moot point. We can't go back in time and do a BAC test at 2:50a on the morning of the 15th. It doesn't matter how much or little any of them had to drink at that time. Regardless of how drunk they appear or don't appear, it's not quantifiable. The video, if any, won't matter. Maybe they're drunk, maybe they're just inarticulate. Maybe they're just borderline Forrest Gump. There's no law against being stupid.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 7:36 pm to RT1941
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How the hell do you maneuver?
Indeed. The only way that's at all practical for semi comfortable sex in a backseat is if the female is on top. That would also "look" less like a rape. Of course we have no idea how they were positioned.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 8:27 pm to choupiquesushi
Nothing about him says responsible or mature. He's the typical street guy
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