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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 2/9/23 at 8:42 am to HodsonTiger13
Posted on 2/9/23 at 8:42 am to HodsonTiger13
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They made video of everything else. My guess is they deleted it -
They showed a video to the bond hearing judge and the judge was under the impression that the video added to their guilt.
You can be sure that the defense would have showed the video that painted their clients in the best light. They also would only willingly show the prosecution the video that paints their clients in the best light. So if their best video makes them look worse, then the other videos can't be good.
In a way, I hope they did delete some videos from their phones. Why? Because the videos can always be recovered, but most importantly, because it speaks to their guilt. If they didn't think they did wrong, why delete videos and try to get rid of evidence. In fact, if you think you did nothing wrong, you should want the cops to see the videos so the charges can be dropped and you can go on about your life.
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Posted on 2/9/23 at 8:45 am to HodsonTiger13
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Judge, if after the interviews contained in the affidavit, the perps went home and deleted videos of that night... that a crime to destroy evidence? Or would it only be after they were charged? Assuming there was video.
Yes.
But more importantly, it creates a presumption against them IIRC.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 8:57 am to clip11
They lawyers showed the video and said at the press conference it showed consent and competence. Judge said the opposite - that it showed Madison was severely intoxicated. As you said, that was the 'defense edit' best version.
17 and 18 year olds film everything. Likely videos of the rape, video of Madison's lack of response to 'where do you live' and even the confusion of where they were dropping her off are all there on the video.
Agree. Them deleting footage, then using footage to try to reduce the bond they selectively edited evidence of hiding crimes.
I see also, Judge, that you are a theologian. Your expertise knows no bounds.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:01 am to HodsonTiger13
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They lawyers showed the video and said at the press conference it showed consent and competence.
Of course the defense would say that. I trust the word of the judge as he is likely unbiased.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:11 am to tiger91
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Would there then be an outrage racially that the driver didn’t get the option to flip
The only racial outrage is coming from one side. A lot of blacks sincerely believe that if this were two white guys who took advantage of Madison, the legal system wouldn't care.
They legit think that racist whites are mad that an attractive white girl willingly allowed herself to be "defiled" by 2 black guys and so they are saying it was rape to get back at the black guys. Another line of thought is that white guys are jealous because this attractive white girl wouldn't have given them the time of day and she would rather be with 2 black guys instead. So this is a malicious prosecution to get back at the black men. Yes, alot of black people you see making nasty comments about Madison unironically think this.
Of course if you kept the situation and evidence exactly the same, except it involves two white guys an an attractive black sorority girl, they would want the white guys to get life in prison.
If two whites took advantage of Madison, the exact same thing would be happening. And most whites today are ok with interracial couples.
If Madison had went on a date with a black boyfriend who she had consensual sex multiple times prior and then they went to his apartment and had sex and then she wandered out of the apartment into the road and got hit and killed, this case would be alot different
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 11:17 am
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:12 am to tiger91
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Would there then be an outrage racially that the driver didn’t get the option to flip
The only racial outrage is coming from one side. A lot of blacks sincerely believe that if this were two white guys who took advantage of Madison, the legal system wouldn't care.
They legit think that racist whites are mad that an attractive white girl willingly allowed herself to be "defiled" by 2 black guys and so they are saying it was rape to get back at the black guys. Another line of thought is that white guys are jealous because this attractive white girl wouldn't have given them the time of day and she would rather be with 2 black guys instead. So this is a malicious prosecution to get back at the black men. Yes, alot of black people you see making nasty comments about Madison unironically think this.
Of course if you kept the situation and evidence exactly the same, except it involves two white guys an an attractive black sorority girl, they would want the white guys to get life in prison.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:13 am to HodsonTiger13
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Your expertise knows no bounds.
I’m a renaissance redneck.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 10:52 am to JudgeHolden
I picture you as a John B. Mclemore type.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:00 am to GrizzlyAlloy
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I picture you as a John B. Mclemore type.
No . . . shite?
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:15 am to JudgeHolden
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that “a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich, if that's what [the prosecutor] wanted."
I was on one for a year and we no billed a couple that the prosecutor wanted to go after
Everything was usually presented in a cut and dry fashion, here’s the evidence we have, here’s the charges we would like to pursue, here’s what we think, or probability of conviction is, and then we would deliberate after they left the room
Posted on 2/9/23 at 11:59 am to JudgeHolden
That seems like a tough flip because of family ties unless he truly is charged as a principal - to use an old analogy I'd rattle the bushes and tell uncle and carver that washington is going down with or without your help but you can try to help yourself and see what additional info shakes out (especially regarding the 17 year old)
However, as a father of 2 girls, my hope is that there is enough of a physical evidence case to get them all and negate the need for games even though I know it won't work like that
Still very curious about what evidence can be gotten from the cloud - there is undoubtedly evidence deleted from phones that can still be found
However, as a father of 2 girls, my hope is that there is enough of a physical evidence case to get them all and negate the need for games even though I know it won't work like that
Still very curious about what evidence can be gotten from the cloud - there is undoubtedly evidence deleted from phones that can still be found
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:05 pm to clip11
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Another line of thought is that white guys are jealous because this attractive white girl wouldn't have given them the time of day and she would rather be with 2 black guys instead.
Maybe this is why Carver talked to the cops first. Dudes don’t like getting shown up by other dudes, especially those they had to bring to begin with.
Maybe he was thinking next time Kaivon and the 17 year old need to get their own ride
This post was edited on 2/9/23 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:14 pm to clip11
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The only racial outrage is coming from one side. A lot of blacks sincerely believe that if this were two white guys who took advantage of Madison, the legal system wouldn't care.
i wouldn't have a ton of faith in the legal system in Lousiana if i was black. Hell i am white and don't have a ton of faith in it. So i can see where they are coming from. I completely disagree but i can see how the thought process works.
That said, if it were 4 frat stars in the car the national media would be camped in Baton Rouge.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:23 pm to clip11
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t wasn't his vehicle, it was the driver who drove to the secluded area and parked the vehicle long enough for the other 2 to perpetrate a rape.
Just for clarification the area was not secluded. Its less than a 5 minute walk from the bar on a street packed with duplexes. Which makes me think its possible, if not probable, that the driver did not pull over with the specific purpose of his buddies having sex with Madison, but probably was trying to get his bearings and figure out where to go next.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:31 pm to clip11
quote:the blacks saying this must not know many white girls
They legit think that racist whites are mad that an attractive white girl willingly allowed herself to be "defiled" by 2 black guys and so they are saying it was rape to get back at the black guys.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:34 pm to chalmetteowl
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Maybe this is why Carver talked to the cops first. Dudes don’t like getting shown up by other dudes, especially those they had to bring to begin with.
Repeat take but:
I think Carver was remorseful.
I think Washington was arrogant.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:35 pm to ThuperThumpin
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Just for clarification the area was not secluded.
The little stub of Archer off Jennifer Jean is pretty secluded. My guess is that’s where they were.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:38 pm to JudgeHolden
By the time they got to the police interview he was remorseful. Will have to see video for the full story.
But your take seems to be the one of the preparer of the affidavit.
What could the 28 year old say that'd help the prosecution? Assuming there's no other video and they'd need his testimony.
Madison's intoxicated condition.
The other 3's knowledge of her severe intoxication.
What they said after the rapes.
?
But your take seems to be the one of the preparer of the affidavit.
What could the 28 year old say that'd help the prosecution? Assuming there's no other video and they'd need his testimony.
Madison's intoxicated condition.
The other 3's knowledge of her severe intoxication.
What they said after the rapes.
?
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:48 pm to HodsonTiger13
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What could the 28 year old say that'd help the prosecution? Assuming there's no other video and they'd need his testimony.
He is a full on eyewitness. He can implicate the other three. He can set the context for any video that is out there. He can say whether she drank more in the car.
He can corroborate who had sex with her. He can confirm her apparent condition at the time of the encounters. He can recount what he heard her say and the others say related to consent (did they ask five times?). He can testify to what the others said about it during and afterwards. It seems to me he has a hell of a lot to offer that you cannot get anywhere else.
If his story is strong enough, that might force Carver and Washington to take the stand. Very few people of their age and educational level are going to be stellar witnesses under cross-examination.
As long as he did not actually assault her or physically participate, he is the guy to plead out, I think.
But hell. We don't know it all, and I am not a prosecutor. This is just my barely informed take.
Posted on 2/9/23 at 12:50 pm to GreenRockTiger
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the blacks saying this must not know many white girls
What do you mean?
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