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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case

Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:37 am to
Posted by Dingeaux
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:37 am to
there is no way those guys did not video the sex. In this day and age, no way.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:55 am to
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Its almost like you have never seen a drunk friend running around and through people and other crazy crap like back flips with a success mixed into ones not nearly as successful and then be passed out 5 or 10 minutes later. I have seen a lot of drunk males and females with a last minute


It’s more like I’ve seen a jury ignore expert testimony because a picture or event did not match one side’s theory.

Faith in science is not as widespread as you think. Faith in paid science is lower still. Faith in both is diminishing.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:56 am to
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F it is undisputed that she called him gay and possibly slapped him for not having sex with her,


Where is that coming from?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:57 am to
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Where is that coming from?

A page or 2 back they were discussing it

*ETA: I was incorrect. It's from the Nak video
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 7:59 am
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 7:57 am to
Video on page 271

LINK
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 7:58 am
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:00 am to
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LSUAngelHere1
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Yup, she was arguing with Casen, slapped him and told him he must be gay bc he didn’t want to have sex with her too. I was eviscerated in this thread for victim shaming when I was actually being very kind and respectful by not revealing the real dirt.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:05 am to
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She wanted all of them to fk her tho. When Casen refused she got mad and told him he must be gay. At some point she slapped him for rejecting her.



Can we just ban this moron already?

So the judge who saw these videos says there's definitely a crime, the DA who's seen them thinks upping the charges is warranted, and the claim is now video is going to show her wanting dick from everyone?
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 8:08 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:08 am to
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Can we just ban this moron already?

Even if what she's posting is true?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:09 am to
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Even if what she's posting is true?


Explain why the judge and Da who both have seen all these videos think upping the charges is appropriate if what she says is true.

I see with have some tittybabies more concerned with downvoting than answering
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 8:13 am
Posted by Chef Curry
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:12 am to
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Even if what she's posting is true?


Carver stated that the other two asked 5 times if she wants to have sex. Kind of contradictory to the whole “slapping Carver and calling him gay” comment. Of course regressives like you and ell are always shilling for criminals.
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:13 am to
The judge’s threshold is very low. The DA is always going to be more aggressive in these very public cases. If they’re charged with first degree rape, does that take 3rd degree off the table or can the jury consider it even if that’s not the charge?
Because if so, then there’s no risk in attempting to convince a grand jury with the tougher one.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:14 am to
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Explain why the judge and Da who both have seen all these videos think upping the charges is appropriate if what she says is true.

DAs always think charges are appropriate.

The judge was so convinced of this crime, he gave low bonds for the Defendants. The standard of a bond hearing is EXTREMELY low and the standard at trial is EXTREMELY high. Also, the judge primarily relied on the Arrest Warrant, which is very summarized, biased, and without the opportunity for real response. It won't be like that at trial and things like what she's posting are incredibly important for that setting.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:14 am to
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The judge’s threshold is very low.


What does that even mean?
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The DA is always going to be more aggressive in these very public cases


Then why not go 1st degree from the jump? The anal stuff was more than enough to at least seek that charge.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:14 am to
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Of course regressives like you and ell are always shilling for criminals.


I believe in the Constitution
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:14 am to
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DAs always think charges are appropriate.


That's not answering the question.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:15 am to
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If they’re charged with first degree rape, does that take 3rd degree off the table or can the jury consider it even if that’s not the charge?

Juries are allowed to convict of lesser included charges.

My last jury trial was 2nd degree battery and they came back with guilty of simple battery. (Losing the battle/winning the war scenario)
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:16 am to
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regressives like you and ell are always shilling for criminals.
Quite the leap here considering I haven’t defended anything they’ve done. We have discussed what the defense could say but that seems to trigger those who can’t fathom this happening except in a single scenario.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:17 am to
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What does that even mean?

The standard to judge that a crime committed at a bond hearing is easy to meet.

It's much more difficult to meet at trial.

If you're a cop and you can't get a judge to agree with you at a bond hearing, you intentionally screwed up your arrest warrant to tank the case. LEO/DA has to try not to win at this stage, basically.

Trial is a different animal.

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Then why not go 1st degree from the jump?

Cops made the initial decision. Their evidence is clearly 3rd degree.

1st degree requires more creativity, which only some prosecutors are permitted to use. LEO is not.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:18 am to
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We have discussed what the defense could say but that seems to trigger those who can’t fathom this happening except in a single scenario.

There is an accepted narrative (which doesn't even seem to reflect the reality anymore) and anything outside of that is defending rapists. They're still too emotional to discuss this. They don't want discussion; they want a mob.
This post was edited on 1/30/23 at 8:19 am
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 1/30/23 at 8:20 am to
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What does that even mean?
It means it was a bond hearing not a trial.
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Then why not go 1st degree from the jump?
Because it was more important to get the charges out asap to get arrests and worry about the details later. It sounds like the DA is going to punt it to the grand jury to decide if there’s enough for 1st degree.
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