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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:42 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:42 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Some people needed the video to realize she wasn’t coerced into the car because they didn’t read in the affidavit that they had been hanging out for over 3 hours before she left with them.
neither did a lot of the people who think this 10 second video is relevant.
quote:Yep. But worse it has the words of two of the accused describing her state in pretty specific detail. The reason this is so damning is that not only does it make it apparent that she can’t consent but that they knew she was inebriated to that point as well. That’s a key factor especially if there’s video in the car of her being friendly with any of them.
The arrest warrant describes video of her falling multiple times inside the bar and then falling off a bench on the way out the bar.
quote:I know them. It doesn’t mean I’m incapable to discussing the defense’s strategy. It doesn’t change my opinion of the situation because I DID know what happened thanks to the affidavit that so many apparently didn’t read.
If you knew the basic facts of the case you would be able to discern that.
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:42 pm to Thundercracker
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Many of them are saying how common is for college girls to go on a wild bender one night and have guys run a train on them just to make memories and how we all know plenty of women like that who have done similar
Very well may be true. Problem for the guys who choose to frick girls who are unable to consent is they risk getting caught like these turds.
Realistically they probably would have never been caught had she not been killed. Truly tragic. May her death not be in vain.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:43 pm to WaWaWeeWa
The “jogging” does seem rather spastic jogging. Like she’s doing high knees or something. Then she falls into them they catch her
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:43 pm to dallastigers
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It’s almost like you enjoy the attention or even more likely arguing both sides.
That’s called objectivity.
A good lawyer must have a high tolerance for ambiguity. Armstrong taught us this on the first day of law school.
If you can’t argue both sides, you can’t argue your side. That rule has served me well for decades.
Pay attention or don’t. I like arguing. I like thinking of different angles. This is a good place to throw those out.
You’ll note that when I’m shown wrong, I admit it. When someone else makes a good point, I acknowledge it.
I think these guys go to jail. But the BAC evidence is degraded by that video. Any experienced trial lawyer knows it.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:43 pm to AlwysATgr
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Thought the same thing. IDK what alcohol they would have used but it likely flashed off right after the site is prep'd.
It doesn't matter. In the USA those wipes have isopropanol. In Mexico they use ethanol. She wasn't in Tijuana so organic chemistry would negate this argument even if they stuck the IV catheter straight through the alcohol wipe.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:44 pm to JudgeHolden
Would the accused giving Madison alcohol in the car help or hurt their case?
Would seem to help as it'd explain why she hit .319 fifty minutes later when struck by the Uber driver but was able to run across to the accused earlier.
But then if they're giving her more alcohol they're part of the risk they create when they leave her by the side of the road drunk.
Overall, I think it's good for defense if Madison was drinking in their car for the 50 minutes they road around.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:45 pm to JudgeHolden
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I think these guys go to jail. But the BAC evidence is degraded by that video. Any experienced trial lawyer knows it.
The BAC evidence is degraded by the video the defense wanted you to see. Not the totality of the evidence that we know exists.
Surely you will admit that’s true, right judge?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:46 pm to berrycajun
quote:
The “jogging” does seem rather spastic jogging. Like she’s doing high knees or something. Then she falls into them they catch her
It would be nice to have enhanced video to show that. You may be right. My first impression is that she was moving just fine for twenty to thirty yards.
Along those lines, and for those who have been to Reggie’s, what do you think the distance of the “jog” is?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:47 pm to Beef Tips
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Im sure the lab/er knew she was hit by a vehicle. They didn't know anything about the driver's culpability at the time and if his potential defense would be this girl's BAC level.
I lean this way as well. If anything, I suspect they knew this wasn't some routine exercise.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:47 pm to HodsonTiger13
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But then if they're giving her more alcohol they're part of the risk they create when they leave her by the side of the road drunk.
In the affidavit the suspect says “she asked us for a ride home and we said yes because it wasn’t safe to leave her there in her state of intoxication”.
It wasn’t safe to leave her at the bar but they could leave her on the side of a dark highway at 3 am after having anal sex with her.
These fricks are lucky they aren’t on trial for murder too
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:49 pm to JudgeHolden
quote:
You’ll note that when I’m shown wrong, I admit it. When someone else makes a good point, I acknowledge it.
No one can argue that.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:50 pm to WaWaWeeWa
Do you think it’s possible she asked to be let out of the car or maybe there was an argument?
Hell, if she realized what had happened to her was rape maybe she wanted to get away as fast as possible. All speculation of course. But then simply kicking her out isn’t the only probable scenario.
Hell, if she realized what had happened to her was rape maybe she wanted to get away as fast as possible. All speculation of course. But then simply kicking her out isn’t the only probable scenario.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:50 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Surely you will admit that’s true, right judge?
Of course.
But it’s a pretty strong visual. It hit me immediately.
Let’s say the video inside shows her lurching around before she leaves. Then she rallies to run to the four. Could you argue that she consented during another “rally”?
It ain’t strong, and it would probably require them to take the stand (often a bad idea).
Let’s keep our eye on the ball. If she has rectal/sphincter tearing from this assault, probably none of this matters. Everyone can imagine that pain, and I don’t think anyone will think she consented to that.
Hell, that may make it straight up rape.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:51 pm to WaWaWeeWa
The BAC evidence is degraded by the video the defense wanted you to see. Not the totality of the evidence that we know exists.
Surely you will admit that’s true, right judge?
I honestly think it's gonna take a total timeline of her day. I went tits up at 0.290 in a rapid controlled study that lasted 2 hours. I'm positive that I have ran way past that level throughout a day of partying and could've instructed a driver safety course. This is a 3 dimensional chess board.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:51 pm to JudgeHolden
Haven’t been since 2001 when it was sports so i can’t remember.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:52 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:
These fricks are lucky they aren’t on trial for murder too
I need to go look at negligent homicide. That’s conceivably a charge here.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:54 pm to JudgeHolden
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Let’s say the video inside shows her lurching around before she leaves. Then she rallies to run to the four. Could you argue that she consented during another “rally”?
Your point of her walking in the video was to dispute the accuracy of the BAC. Once it is established that the BAC is accurate by other behavior it doesn’t matter how many times she “rallies”because her BAC is .32 and having sex with someone in that state is rape.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:55 pm to JudgeHolden
I’m assuming there’s footage of the pelican lakes entry point so footage of them leaving her there and of her walking to Burbank.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:56 pm to JudgeHolden
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Let’s keep our eye on the ball. If she has rectal/sphincter tearing from this assault, probably none of this matters. Everyone can imagine that pain, and I don’t think anyone will think she consented to that.
I am betting that is the case. The medical examiner wouldn’t bring it up if were something old like a scar.
However the 1st guy could say Kaivon did that, not me
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 1/29/23 at 10:56 pm to berrycajun
Has the Uber driver made any statements?
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