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re: Deputies arrest 4 in LSU student Madison Brooks case
Posted on 1/28/23 at 1:45 pm to JudgeHolden
Posted on 1/28/23 at 1:45 pm to JudgeHolden
And again I ask how is that determined as everyone’s perception can be different.
I did notice that the affidavit says that they got dressed or put their clothes back on: something to that effect. Can you get dressed while you’re blacked out drunk? I take blacked out to mean just that — passed out literally. But I’ve never been so drunk that I can’t remember things or couldn’t function.
So I’m truly asking how this is determined when the poor girl isn’t here to speak for herself.
I did notice that the affidavit says that they got dressed or put their clothes back on: something to that effect. Can you get dressed while you’re blacked out drunk? I take blacked out to mean just that — passed out literally. But I’ve never been so drunk that I can’t remember things or couldn’t function.
So I’m truly asking how this is determined when the poor girl isn’t here to speak for herself.
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Posted on 1/28/23 at 1:47 pm to jimmy the leg
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I can’t imagine losing a child.
To lose one like this, with these circumstances surrounding her death, has to be hell on Earth.
No parent likes hearing their kid talked about much less in this situation. Keep me drugged in a padded room. This is all awful.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 1:54 pm to tigerskin
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You are playing games. You wouldn’t have used those words if you didn’t believe that (or want that to be believed). Yes, you can hide behind the “we don’t know for sure.” But it is clear what you believe and want to be the case so that lets Casen off the hook for pulling up and parking in the driveway for “consensual sex.” Play games with someone else
Well, we don’t know yet but since everyone is speculating, based on the totality of everything we do know so far, I think she liked the 17yo and probably wanted to have sex with him (yes, by law it’s not consensual but we have to spell things out on the OT), and shite went sideways with the animal (Washington) raping her.
That’s what I think we’ll hear if it goes to trial and I could very well be wrong since no one knows yet.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 1:55 pm
Posted on 1/28/23 at 1:54 pm to tiger91
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So I’m truly asking how this is determined when the poor girl isn’t here to speak for herself.
1). The deputy will testify about what the two told him. They will have to take the stand to rebut, and that’s risky.
2). If the forensics show .319, a prosecution will have an expert say no one at that level can knowingly consent to sex.
3). Video showing her stumbling around and falling will likely surface.
4). This is the biggie. Minutes after they dropped her, she was so drunk she walked in front of a car on Burbank. The jury can infer that if she was too drunk to stay out of traffic at night, she could not possibly have consented to sex minutes before.
It’s not a complicated case. And unless the in-car video is damning for her, the defense has a tough case. They better start witness prepping their boys to take the stand right now.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 1:58 pm to JudgeHolden
What odds do you give of it going to trial? And what would be your best guess time frame?
I’m only wondering how long would the family have to endure waiting before a trial should one happen.
(I realize this would be your opinion only)
I’m only wondering how long would the family have to endure waiting before a trial should one happen.
(I realize this would be your opinion only)
Posted on 1/28/23 at 1:58 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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Well, we don’t know yet but since everyone is speculating, based on the totality of everything we do know so far, I think she liked the 17yo and probably wanted to have sex with him (yes, by law it’s not consensual but we have to spell things out on the OT), and shite went sideways with the animal (Washington) raping her.
So you had a problem with me quoting you saying she probably wanted to have sex with the 17 year old……..yet you just said it again
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 1/28/23 at 1:58 pm to tiger91
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I take blacked out to mean just that — passed out literally.
Absolutely false. Black out drunk means you have no recollection of what you did or why, whole blocks of time gone.
You can drive, walk, run, etc.
Your decision making function is totally gone, but your body works.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 1/28/23 at 1:59 pm to tiger91
(I haven't had time to follow the voluminous discussion so bear with me.)
The acts were filmed? If so, does one have to give consent to a 3rd party to film a sex act?
I can understand why the defendant's lawyers would challenge the BAC results. But I would also think the individuals conducting the tests knew these involved odd circumstances and would be scrutinized. Would be surprised if they didn't follow protocol or used instruments out of cal.
Finally, who offloads an inebriated individual at 2AM in freezing temps? This may have no legal traction but it sheds a lot of light into the character of the Cretans.
The acts were filmed? If so, does one have to give consent to a 3rd party to film a sex act?
I can understand why the defendant's lawyers would challenge the BAC results. But I would also think the individuals conducting the tests knew these involved odd circumstances and would be scrutinized. Would be surprised if they didn't follow protocol or used instruments out of cal.
Finally, who offloads an inebriated individual at 2AM in freezing temps? This may have no legal traction but it sheds a lot of light into the character of the Cretans.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:00 pm to Thundercracker
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Still the primary issue in their minds is black vs. white. White devils out to get their little angel who dindu nuffin. It'll be even worse if others speak out and they happen to be white.
It’s even worse than that.
These people have an ingrained mindset that says it doesn’t matter whether he did it or not, is guilty or not; because of the injustices of the past, real or perceived, he’s entitled to not have to face any consequences for his actions. Being allowed to walk away scot-free is OWED to him.
It’s a pervasive mindset. You see it every day.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:00 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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based on the totality of everything we do know so far, I think she liked the 17yo and probably wanted to have sex with him
There is no way for you to know this. It’s bizarre that you keep interjecting made up story lines.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:01 pm to tigerskin
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So you had a problem with me quoting you saying she probably wanted to have sex with the 17 year old……..yet you just said it again
I don’t know what she wanted. Do you have the power to know? We are all saying what we think.
The evidence so far does show that she did like the 17yo so it’s not far fetched to think she wanted to have sex with a guy she liked. By law it is still rape.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:03 pm to AlwysATgr
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Finally, who offloads an inebriated individual at 2AM in freezing temps? This may have no legal traction but it sheds a lot of light into the character of the Cretans.
The type of “people” who have such low regard for humanity that they film themselves raping a girl
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:06 pm to LSUAngelHere1
No I don’t know. Just pointing out where you stand based on your words. And you seemed to have a problem with that but now realize the hole has been dug. And “probably wanted to have sex” isn’t the phrase to use when you have no idea either.
Now cut to the chase. You want that to be the case so Casen gets off for pulling up in a driveway and parking for the sex to happen. Because you know he is in deep shite if he knowingly pulled up and parked for the first guy to rape her. Just be honest
Now cut to the chase. You want that to be the case so Casen gets off for pulling up in a driveway and parking for the sex to happen. Because you know he is in deep shite if he knowingly pulled up and parked for the first guy to rape her. Just be honest
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:10 pm to LSUAngelHere1
How in the actual frick do you come up with this shite?
Is it your son, nephew, grandson, neighbor, or someone else you know?
Is it your son, nephew, grandson, neighbor, or someone else you know?
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:11 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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The evidence so far does show that she did like the 17yo so it’s not far fetched to think she wanted to have sex with a guy she liked.
Women hug me all the time. They don’t necessarily want to have sex with me.
I once dated a woman who got VERY affectionate and touchy-feely when she was drunk. And I had quite the few opportunities to take advantage. I feel fortunate that I had the good sense (as well as the gentlemanly forebearance) to have never done so, because, as it turned out, she was a miserable kunt who likely would’ve thrown a rape charge at me.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:12 pm to TigerFred
Her daughter is fricking Casen (I mean possibly….or probably)
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:13 pm to AlwysATgr
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But I would also think the individuals conducting the tests knew these involved odd circumstances and would be scrutinized. Would be surprised if they didn't follow protocol or used instruments out of cal
Specimens would have been pulled in the ER and likely taken by the nurse that started the IV. The individual that ran the labs may not have known the circumstances. Still though, a protocol most definitely should have been followed and the instrument used to test the blood should have been calibrated. You can bet your arse those records have been requested by the defense attys.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:13 pm to tigerskin
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No I don’t know. Just pointing out where you stand based on your words. And you seemed to have a problem with that but now realize the hole has been dug. Now cut to the chase. You want that to be the case so Casen gets off for pulling up in a driveway and parking for the sex to happen. Because you know he is in deep shite if he knowingly pulled up and parked for the first guy to rape her. Just be honest
I am being honest and that’s why many are clutching their pearls.
I think the other 3 guys are in trouble bc of something Washington did. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to think things went sideways at that point.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:15 pm to tigerskin
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Her daughter is fricking Casen (I mean possibly….or probably)
My daughter has a boyfriend and doesn’t hang around any of the people in involved.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 2:16 pm to LSUAngelHere1
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The evidence so far does show that she did like the 17yo so it’s not far fetched to think she wanted to have sex with a guy she liked.
What evidence? Be specific
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