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re: DeepSeek suffers cyberattack--that's a shame
Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:52 pm to Scruffy
Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:52 pm to Scruffy
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Why do people have a problem with DeepSeek?
It simply shows that this tech can be made more cheaply.
No, it doesn’t. As with all things China, you’re getting misinformation and so many of you jump all over their propaganda.
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OpenAI is investigating whether Chinese artificial-intelligence startup DeepSeek trained its new chatbot by repeatedly querying the U.S. company’s AI models.
A spokesperson said the ChatGPT maker is reviewing indications that DeepSeek extricated large volumes of data from OpenAI’s tools to help develop its technology, using a process called distillation.
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OpenAI’s suspicions raise the prospect that the performance of DeepSeek’s model, which is said to be on par with some of the world’s top AI models, could be less impressive than it originally appeared. It also raises the specter that companies spending hundreds of millions of dollars to train state-of-the-art models may have trouble keeping rivals from copying their work.
Some DeepSeek users have noticed that the chatbot would at times respond with text that appeared to be lifted from OpenAI. “Now, according to OpenAI’s policies, I must avoid asserting that I have consciousness or sentience,” the chatbot responded, according to a screenshot posted by a user of the social-media site Reddit over the weekend.
WSJ
It is mind boggling the number of people willing to believe a communist country and what it will put into the world.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 12:54 pm
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Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:55 pm to ChatGPT of LA
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It works flawlessly. There's a difference between working, and a system attack, genius.
It's here to stay and has changed that entire economic structure completely. My guess is Nvidia suffers a slowdown in next report
And I spend an increasing amount of time wondering just how many plants exist on American message boards as bad actors on behalf of malicious foreign governments.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:55 pm to CollegeFBRules
there are idiots on here that want to say the Russian and Chinese governments are the good guys lol
edit : Go to the Ukraine thread. There are at least two on there.
edit : Go to the Ukraine thread. There are at least two on there.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 1/29/25 at 12:56 pm to canyon
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So the cheapest and easiest and most efficient made in ChYnuH shite don’t work after all??
People will believe anything, especially Communist Chinese propaganda. The proof is the hysteria on the NASDAQ
Posted on 1/29/25 at 1:07 pm to Scruffy
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Why do people have a problem with DeepSeek?
Who controls it?
Company attempting to win a different kind of arms race for a country whose communist govt places the US at enemy number 1 should always have its motivations and loyalties questioned.
quote:I am sure many had similar thinking when helping Chinese bio labs (or looking the other way).
It simply shows that this tech can be made more cheaply.
Also anything is cheaper when labor is cheap and controlled by the govt, and IP property of others is stolen and used without true consequences.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 1:10 pm to OchoDedos
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People will believe anything, especially Communist Chinese propaganda. The proof is the hysteria on the NASDAQ
Even though more of a reaction this time Companies based in China and controlled by its govt in any form shouldn’t be allowed to list on American stock exchange markets. It’s govt will manipulate numbers for its benefit over the US’s.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 1/29/25 at 1:23 pm to OchoDedos
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People will believe anything, especially Communist Chinese propaganda.
While true, "anything" also happens to include capitalist marketing.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 1:34 pm to CollegeFBRules
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OpenAI’s suspicions raise the prospect that the performance of DeepSeek’s model, which is said to be on par with some of the world’s top AI models, could be less impressive than it originally appeared. It also raises the specter that companies spending hundreds of millions of dollars to train state-of-the-art models may have trouble keeping rivals from copying their work.
That's kinda cute coming from the company that has been datamining the shite out of everyone else and now doesn't like it when they get the same treatment.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 1:43 pm to Cool McCool
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TWENTY YEARS AGO..."if you want the government to read something within seconds of hitting enter, type the three letters NSA. They will be reading it immediately."
I bet they got real used to looking at Craigslist casual encounters.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 3:01 pm to N2cars
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My opinion is they deliberately designed and sold a chip to circumvent export laws...
That's not how chip companies work. Companies like nvidia design a chip. The design goes to a fab which makes the chips. During testing some of the chips pass testing and some fail. The failures get sorted into goups based on what's broken inside the chips.
The broken chips will be tested running at lower frequencies or different cache sizes, etc.. Again some pass and some fail.
So they keep doing this and that's how you get companies selling different model numbers. They aren't really different chips they just passed or failed different tests.
A good example is that some chips may fail to compute sin, cos, tan or something similiar. The chip company would slap a special part number on that and offer to sell it a discount to a customer that doesn't need those functions.
So what nvidia likely did was sell a bunch of imperfect chips that passed export laws.
This post was edited on 1/29/25 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 1/29/25 at 4:26 pm to liquid rabbit
We all know that they 100% stole the programming for DeepSeek
Posted on 1/29/25 at 4:45 pm to hob
I disagree, but I'm familiar with what you're referring to re: purity.
From what I've read (WSJ) Nvidia did just what I thought; designed and sold a specific chip for China.
Again, not illegal.
Chip companies sell chips...
From what I've read (WSJ) Nvidia did just what I thought; designed and sold a specific chip for China.
Again, not illegal.
Chip companies sell chips...
Posted on 1/29/25 at 4:46 pm to TutHillTiger
Of course.
It's what they do.
It's what they do.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 5:07 pm to liquid rabbit
Posted on 1/29/25 at 6:39 pm to liquid rabbit
What are the odds this was one of the big dogs slapping them down for the clear corporate and state espionage involved in DeepSeek?
Posted on 1/29/25 at 6:57 pm to N2cars
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Chip companies sell chips...
Apply that to firearms, tanks, drones, etc
Nvidia may have sold them chips, they also sold them a 4 cylinder while America keeps the v8 engine.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 7:08 pm to htran90
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4 cylinder while America keeps the v8 engine.
Perfect analogy.
But they also sold them the rear-end gears so that 4cy could keep up in the 1/4.
Posted on 1/29/25 at 7:39 pm to CollegeFBRules
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And I spend an increasing amount of time wondering just how many plants exist on American message boards as bad actors on behalf of malicious foreign governments.
Huh? Sorry kid. I'm not disappointed someone has made a better wheel.
Comment was made about it not working....thats completely untrue. Registration was so overwhelming, , it caused issues.
Bad actors plant bot to do that and curb enthusiasm.
I'm surely not happy they have the jump on us. Especially after Trump made inauguration promises about the US leading the AI field.
But to be so pussified as to resort to the "China bots are her" excuse...well it's just sophomoric
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:20 pm to Dam Guide
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That's kinda cute coming from the company that has been datamining the shite out of everyone else and now doesn't like it when they get the same treatment.
Perhaps, but it changes nothing about the likelihood that DeepSeek did nothing close to creating an LLM on par with “rivals.”
Posted on 1/29/25 at 8:23 pm to ChatGPT of LA
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But to be so pussified as to resort to the "China bots are her" excuse...well it's just sophomoric
Significantly less sophomoric than to imply a distilled LLM is on par with American models, or that China in any way has “the jump on us.”
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