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re: Dealing with family/loved one with a mental illness--Update Page 11
Posted on 10/13/19 at 1:23 pm to lsunurse
Posted on 10/13/19 at 1:23 pm to lsunurse
I think mental illness, especially depression is very common.
Probably every family is touched by this.
For every completed suicide, there are 7 attempts. For every attempt, 10 suicidal thoughts.
I’m not sure what to tell you, other than keep communication lines open, and help them get the help they need.
Probably every family is touched by this.
For every completed suicide, there are 7 attempts. For every attempt, 10 suicidal thoughts.
I’m not sure what to tell you, other than keep communication lines open, and help them get the help they need.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 1:23 pm to BR Tiger
Not that I am close to as serious as what nurse is describing but I have random episodes of high anxiety (stress gets high), depersonalization, suicidial ideation though I have no desire or ever have desire to end my life. I’ve seen first hand what that does to family. I worry about random things like death, etc. and it makes me feel numb sometimes I think a lot stems from losing my father when I was younger to suicide and I have PTSD from it.
Most of the time I am good. I take the lowest dosage of buspar there is, just once, every morning. I take vitamins. CBD, etc. but I still sucks arse when that anxiety hits. I really would prefer not to take an anti depressant because it’s not really depression what I suffer from, but what would be some good recommendations? I will start seeing a therapist very soon, too. Just want better control of things
Most of the time I am good. I take the lowest dosage of buspar there is, just once, every morning. I take vitamins. CBD, etc. but I still sucks arse when that anxiety hits. I really would prefer not to take an anti depressant because it’s not really depression what I suffer from, but what would be some good recommendations? I will start seeing a therapist very soon, too. Just want better control of things
Posted on 10/13/19 at 1:28 pm to CocoLoco
I’ve always read that CBT therapy is really good for anxiety so maybe choose a therapist that specializes in that?
Posted on 10/13/19 at 1:32 pm to lsunurse
I just started doing light therapy, take CBD, I exercise fairly frequently, just got a journal to keep track of daily goals/weekly goals, even a weighted blanket
Like I said it’s not like I’m in a depressive state. I occasionally do feel down but it’s really that anxiousness that creeps up. I can rationalize the feelings pretty well. Maybe it’s normal. About to turn 30, went back to school; etc etc.
I’ll look into that though. I’m taking every necessary step to ensure keep things in check.
Like I said it’s not like I’m in a depressive state. I occasionally do feel down but it’s really that anxiousness that creeps up. I can rationalize the feelings pretty well. Maybe it’s normal. About to turn 30, went back to school; etc etc.
I’ll look into that though. I’m taking every necessary step to ensure keep things in check.
This post was edited on 10/13/19 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 10/13/19 at 1:35 pm to CocoLoco
I hope things get better for you.
At least you are open to doing whatever it takes to help your mental health. That is huge in itself.
At least you are open to doing whatever it takes to help your mental health. That is huge in itself.
Posted on 10/13/19 at 1:53 pm to lsunurse
Yes I’m very thankful I’m aware of it and can rationalize things. I know what it stems from, it just took year and years for it to hit me. I went through a traumatizing event, I’m in a wild transition period of my life. But I will not let that control me.
I hope things get better for you as well. I’ll be thinking about you guys.
I hope things get better for you as well. I’ll be thinking about you guys.
This post was edited on 10/13/19 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 10/14/19 at 3:12 pm to CocoLoco
Update:
My dad is back in the hospital. He was calm Sunday during the day, even calm enough to tell my mom to uber to the store to get them groceries(my brother was home with him). After she left, he realized she had taken his phone(remember he had called 911 Sat night) and then he panicked and went over to neighbor's house while my brother was in the bathroom and told them to call 911 and the police....and they did.
So I just so happened to call my brother during all this(he was about to call me) and had to convince a paramedic to not take my dad via ambulance to nearest hospital(I knew my dad had calmed down a little bit at that point and was worried they would get hit with a 6k ambulance bill if medicare/insurance didn't cover it). Told them about my conversation with psychiatrist that day and that I was on my way and would take him myself to the agreed upon ER.
Cajunangelle---you may have been right about his kidneys. While at ER I figured they would medically clear him and see about admitting him inpatient psych. Turns out his WBC count was elevated and while his chest xray were ok...his kidney function had dropped a good bit. Which they said could certainly affect his mental status. So he was admitted to a medical unit at another hospital. And we will see if after he is medically stable does he still need inpatient psych.
Oh and get this....they tell my mom that the ER we took him to was not in contract with his insurance (AARP UnitedHealthcare Medicare advantage plan). That his insurance might not cover his ER visit. And he was transferred to a medical unit at another hospital that was in contract with his plan.
So yeah, fun times. I didn't get home until 6 am this morning and only got a few hours of sleep. I've already talked to his nurse today and my dad. He is still delusional and they are still watching him.
And now I'm all worried about his ER visit and them being hit with a massive bill. How can insurance not cover an ER visit? Especially one that was clearly an emergency if he was admitted with the start of kidney failure??
My dad is back in the hospital. He was calm Sunday during the day, even calm enough to tell my mom to uber to the store to get them groceries(my brother was home with him). After she left, he realized she had taken his phone(remember he had called 911 Sat night) and then he panicked and went over to neighbor's house while my brother was in the bathroom and told them to call 911 and the police....and they did.
So I just so happened to call my brother during all this(he was about to call me) and had to convince a paramedic to not take my dad via ambulance to nearest hospital(I knew my dad had calmed down a little bit at that point and was worried they would get hit with a 6k ambulance bill if medicare/insurance didn't cover it). Told them about my conversation with psychiatrist that day and that I was on my way and would take him myself to the agreed upon ER.
Cajunangelle---you may have been right about his kidneys. While at ER I figured they would medically clear him and see about admitting him inpatient psych. Turns out his WBC count was elevated and while his chest xray were ok...his kidney function had dropped a good bit. Which they said could certainly affect his mental status. So he was admitted to a medical unit at another hospital. And we will see if after he is medically stable does he still need inpatient psych.
Oh and get this....they tell my mom that the ER we took him to was not in contract with his insurance (AARP UnitedHealthcare Medicare advantage plan). That his insurance might not cover his ER visit. And he was transferred to a medical unit at another hospital that was in contract with his plan.
So yeah, fun times. I didn't get home until 6 am this morning and only got a few hours of sleep. I've already talked to his nurse today and my dad. He is still delusional and they are still watching him.
And now I'm all worried about his ER visit and them being hit with a massive bill. How can insurance not cover an ER visit? Especially one that was clearly an emergency if he was admitted with the start of kidney failure??
Posted on 10/14/19 at 3:25 pm to lsunurse
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having severe anxiety but also delusions
If he's having delusions, you might want to talk to his Psych about a 24 hr hold. If his meds got messed up in the hospital, that could be causing the delusions/hallucinations. Also, if he's talking about the flood, he could be experiencing some PTSD.
Some of this sounds like my dad when he was diagnosed with dementia. Talk to his psychiatrist about that as well.
You may want to get him evaluated by a neurologist.
But, don't do anything until you get his psych meds straight and leveled out.
Recap:
1. Talk to his psychiatrist about delusions and PTSD;
2. Get his meds straight;
3. Have him evaluated by a neurologist for dementia;
4. Consider a 24 hr hold until his psych meds are straight.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 3:29 pm to lsunurse
I’ve seen many patients in rehab (pt/ot) that had dementia until they cleared up a uti. Then they were completely normal. I wonder if that’s a similar situation
I’m sorry your dad’s still not doing well after you’ve been dealing with this so long. It just seems to me like they haven’t got the diagnosis right yet if they’re treating it without much relief
Have they considered doing an mri to see if it’s organic? Sorry haven’t read the thread
Usually if a provider is not contracted with your insurer, you will just have to pay the out of network charges, usually 80/20, which is still a lot
But you know all you have to do is send $5 a month forever and they can’t do anything. So try not to let that be an added stress. You’ve got enough going on. I hope things get better
I’m sorry your dad’s still not doing well after you’ve been dealing with this so long. It just seems to me like they haven’t got the diagnosis right yet if they’re treating it without much relief
Have they considered doing an mri to see if it’s organic? Sorry haven’t read the thread
Usually if a provider is not contracted with your insurer, you will just have to pay the out of network charges, usually 80/20, which is still a lot
But you know all you have to do is send $5 a month forever and they can’t do anything. So try not to let that be an added stress. You’ve got enough going on. I hope things get better
Posted on 10/14/19 at 3:35 pm to lsunurse
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.I’m the one that has to take charge of everything at times.
Talk to medicare about getting a social worker to help with medical issues. Also, there are probably programs through your local Council on Aging (or equivalent) that can help with doctor's appointments visits. A social worker should be involved to help navigate all the programs available not only for your dad, but also for your mom and siblings.
It's why you pay taxes, use the agencies that are there to help.
Contact your EAP. They can help put you in touch with both local and private agencies to help with all of the above.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 3:41 pm to lsunurse
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And now I'm all worried about his ER visit and them being hit with a massive bill. How can insurance not cover an ER visit?
If you get hit with a bill, negotiate with the hospital. They will take pennies each month if it means actually receiving some payment from that bill.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 3:45 pm to NoHoTiger
I had paged his psychiatrist yesterday to tell him how delusional he was being Saturday and his recent hospital stay and meds getting messed up. Mentioned to him that his meds need to be changed. He's been seeing him for 2 years so he's very aware of all the stressors of the flood and knows what my dad's usual worries center around.
He agreed with me that my dad may need inpatient psych care to stabilize him. When I had called my mom to tell her where to go with him...she said he was really calm now. I spoke to him myself and he was calm. I knew if we go to an ER and he's that calm...they wouldn't have a reason to keep him for psych. So figured we would just closely watch him and if he starts slipping back....push for him being admitted to psych.
I spoke to the internal med doctor caring for him in the hospital and told him alll about my dad's mental health issues and that we would really like to consider him being stabilized on a geriaric psych unit once his medical issues are stabilized. I know they won't mess with his current meds while at the regular hospital (which is fine). Unless my dad makes a huge turnaround once his kidneys are ok...then I'm still gonna keep pushing for that. I'll also mention neurology evaluating him. They did do a head CT while he was in the ER and it was normal. He has had a more detailed MRI of his head within the last year cause his eye doctor saw something odd on his eye exam and that was completely normal as well.
I did just call his insurance company and got clarification that as long as he was brought into the ER for an emergency...the visit would be covered. I told her how 911 was called and that I was told to specifically bring him to that ER by his psychiatrist and she agreed that it should be covered and to call them if we do have any issues. So at least I can relax on that worry.
He is being seen by a kidney doctor. We actually saw her a few weeks ago and his kidney function then was around 43. She was very happy about his progress and told me that she is ok with his psychiatrist giving him stronger doses of his meds or adding other meds. That he could always call her to consult which meds would be ok on his kidneys. His kidney function last night was mid 20s with an elevated WBC and potassium.
He agreed with me that my dad may need inpatient psych care to stabilize him. When I had called my mom to tell her where to go with him...she said he was really calm now. I spoke to him myself and he was calm. I knew if we go to an ER and he's that calm...they wouldn't have a reason to keep him for psych. So figured we would just closely watch him and if he starts slipping back....push for him being admitted to psych.
I spoke to the internal med doctor caring for him in the hospital and told him alll about my dad's mental health issues and that we would really like to consider him being stabilized on a geriaric psych unit once his medical issues are stabilized. I know they won't mess with his current meds while at the regular hospital (which is fine). Unless my dad makes a huge turnaround once his kidneys are ok...then I'm still gonna keep pushing for that. I'll also mention neurology evaluating him. They did do a head CT while he was in the ER and it was normal. He has had a more detailed MRI of his head within the last year cause his eye doctor saw something odd on his eye exam and that was completely normal as well.
I did just call his insurance company and got clarification that as long as he was brought into the ER for an emergency...the visit would be covered. I told her how 911 was called and that I was told to specifically bring him to that ER by his psychiatrist and she agreed that it should be covered and to call them if we do have any issues. So at least I can relax on that worry.
He is being seen by a kidney doctor. We actually saw her a few weeks ago and his kidney function then was around 43. She was very happy about his progress and told me that she is ok with his psychiatrist giving him stronger doses of his meds or adding other meds. That he could always call her to consult which meds would be ok on his kidneys. His kidney function last night was mid 20s with an elevated WBC and potassium.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 4:00 pm to TigersSEC2010
Btw, I want to give a huge thank you to everyone that has been replying in this thread.
Just being able to vent on here and get some really good suggestions from people that have been through similar has really been helpful to me.
Last night a crisis worker was at my parent's house when I showed up. Guess she was called by the fire department. She gave my mom a number for an agency that might be able to help them out. So we will look into that and see.
Just being able to vent on here and get some really good suggestions from people that have been through similar has really been helpful to me.
Last night a crisis worker was at my parent's house when I showed up. Guess she was called by the fire department. She gave my mom a number for an agency that might be able to help them out. So we will look into that and see.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 4:12 pm to lsunurse
That is insane about the insurance. They actually called the insurance company that quickly to find out, wow. But then again glad they caught it. How insane.
So he had a kidney infection wow. They say it can make you batshit if gone too far. This is gross so people that get grossed out quit reading. But one of the women I knew that had UTI/ kidney infection had pus in her vagina it had gone so long. The elderly pass off all of the UTI symptoms because they are used to being in pain and everything hurting.
The health insurance thing pisses me off. That is just wrong. I know someone that has BCBS of NC and if anything happens to them out of the State they are not covered. (I think ER's were an exception) as people can get into a car wreck driving through States.
So he had a kidney infection wow. They say it can make you batshit if gone too far. This is gross so people that get grossed out quit reading. But one of the women I knew that had UTI/ kidney infection had pus in her vagina it had gone so long. The elderly pass off all of the UTI symptoms because they are used to being in pain and everything hurting.
The health insurance thing pisses me off. That is just wrong. I know someone that has BCBS of NC and if anything happens to them out of the State they are not covered. (I think ER's were an exception) as people can get into a car wreck driving through States.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 4:16 pm to lsunurse
I was just going to tell you. I called the Dept of the Aging locally for my in laws and it wasn't telling on them it does welfare checks (some families are ignorant and let people die at home and are afraid of hospice and don't want their parent going to a hospital) Anyway they were quite helpful and got Hospice and nursing care in.
Not saying your dad needs hospice...
Not saying your dad needs hospice...
This post was edited on 10/14/19 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 10/14/19 at 4:17 pm to cajunangelle
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They actually called the insurance company that quickly to find out, wow.
No I think it was when they were registering him they realized his insurance wasn't one they have a contract with. It's why he was transferred to another hospital in a completely different hospital system.
She had told us his insurance may not cover it. The woman I spoke to on the phone said each insurance policy is different but that with my dad's plan as long as he was in the ER for an actual emergency...it should be covered.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 4:20 pm to lsunurse
You are way too worried about what is covered and what is not. These things usually have a way of working themselves out.
Posted on 10/14/19 at 4:20 pm to lsunurse
My mother in law has dementia, which only becomes more progressive. She no longer even knows my wife is her daughter. Terrible situation, my brother-in-law stays with her but she has even become combative, fighting with health care workers. The thing is, the condition only gets worse, there is nothing you can do, so I understand the dilemma...
This post was edited on 10/14/19 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 10/14/19 at 4:21 pm to cajunangelle
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