re: Deadbeat parents about to lose their passports

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I mean, who can't agree with this one??

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People who owe more than $2500 in back child support?

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The Save America Act would basically require a valid passport to register AND vote in a federal election.

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30-year-old law

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permitted under 1996 federal legislation

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They should let them leave but not come back in

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No it isn't

A valid state-issued ID is acceptable. We have already moved to real ID, which covers all other concerns from your post, because of what it takes to obtain a real ID. Everything else you posted is hyperbole to scare people into not supporting the bill so that illegals can vote.

If you have a valid birth certificate, which everyone should have, you can get a real ID.

Stop spreading lies.

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SO according to the bills sponsors real ID has to say ON it that the holder is a US citizen because any state which issues a real ID to legal immigrants does not print that on the ID. No state, again according to the bills sponsor, currently does this which means that EVERYONE with such an ID currently will have to get another one and that will require either a passport or a birth certificate and a picture ID with the same information required on the real ID which again means there is no current document OTHER than a passport that fills the requirements. Obviously this will change when the bill passes but as of now, and again according to the bills sponsors, the only current document ANYONE can have which would meet the future requirement is a passport or a military ID. That is the sponsors take, not mine nor wikipedia...they could well be mistaken, lord knows they are sponsoring a solution that is seeking a problem so they are obviously fricking morons. Does you real ID currently say on it that you are a US citizen? No, it doesn't, because your state issues the same ID to legal immigrants who are not citizens. Your ID will not currently meet the requirements as written by the sponsors....according to the sponsors. My Georgia drivers license is real id compliant currently as are ALL current GA drivers license. It does not in any way, shape form or fashion indicate what my citizenship is. By law current real ID in the US only confirms identity and lawful status in the US....it is not and never was meant to confirm citizenship. The sponsors admit this will have to change to meet the requirements of the bill as written...as written the bill states that real ID must confirm citizenship. Everyone in a real ID state who has a drivers license, citizens, visa holders and legal immigrants who are not citizens had a real ID that confirms their identity and legal status...not their citizenship.

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No it isn't

A valid state-issued ID is acceptable. We have already moved to real ID, which covers all other concerns from your post, because of what it takes to obtain a real ID. Everything else you posted is hyperbole to scare people into not supporting the bill so that illegals can vote.

If you have a valid birth certificate, which everyone should have, you can get a real ID.

Stop spreading lies.

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This is directly from the bill:

“(1) A form of identification issued consistent with the requirements of the REAL ID Act of 2005[u] that indicates[/u] the applicant is a citizen of the United States.

This document does not currently exist in the United States. Real ID compliant ID cards do not indicate the applicant is a citizen of the United States.

Hell, they didn't even try to obscure this requirement in legalese because they knew full well the majority of people who would support the bill would never understand what this provision means because they are dumb enough to think this bill is a necessity LOL....

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Some child support arrangements seem crazy. Don’t they often make high earning men hand over huge sums of money, to women who don’t work at all, in the name of maintaining the lifestyle the child was “accustomed to”? There should be a standard amount based on location (zip code) and age that people pay in child support. It costs relatively no more to support one child (clothing/food/shelter) than another in the same geographic area. For many women, having a child seems like a career choice of sorts.

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This is spot on and a case of "tough titty says the kitty". Don't want to be placed in this situation don't father a child. That is harsh I know but life is very harsh for kids who are neglected emotionally and financially. That child didn't have a say in her being brought into the world....her daddy did. Her mama did. If her mama is not providing for the child and the daddy is not providing for the child the state has to step in and both adults ought to be imprisoned until they repay the cost to the state for rearing the child plus the cost of their incarceration and some amount for the emotional damage they have caused the child AND the impact that their neglect has on society. It probably wouldn't take more than 100 years or so in prison. The adults have sentenced the child to a life of hardship and possible risks as well as the rest of society...they should recieve no less a sentence.

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Only a handful of states indicate it on the Real ID (I listed above in my post).

The larger issue is why did the government tell these states they are Real ID compliant if the expectation was that citizenship needed to be listed on the ID?

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Because real ID was never intended to indicate the citizenship status of the holder, it was meant to establish identity and lawful presence in the United States. Real ID cards, mostly drivers licenses, are issued to ANYONE who is present in the US legally without any regard as to their citizenship....a passport is currently the only document legally compliant to indicate one's citizenship. It is an international standard that is held to much higher standards than drivers licenses and state issued ID cards for a reason....the latter, being issued by more than one entity, are much easier to create nefariously and much harder to catch when presented....a passport is issued by one agency and they ALL are identical, just like a dollar bill. They are easily scanned by machines and discrepancies identified...to do that with an ID card that may have come from any number of agencies is much harder to verify.

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I mean, who can't agree with this one??

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i mean i agree in principle....but i have seen some fricked up rulings on CS.

and some fricked up women behind it too

but in principle...kind of hard to disagree

but if you agree to abortion than you shouldnt because the father should be able to give up his rights too without having to pay