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re: David Grusch was on Rogan today...

Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:33 am to
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:33 am to
TPA the aliens/paranormal/alternate history GOAT
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:43 am to
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joe asked for more details, and after saying he wasn't sure, David goes, "well I just glanced at it, I'm not sure, I think it was chapter 11 or something in his new book."

Really dude? You just skimmed it huh? You're out here quoting bylaw numbers and yet you didn't really read a chapter about a hull breach from a guy you are clamoring to be brought before congress?


FWIW here is the Corbell/Knapp interview with the Dr Lacatski that Grush was referring to. LINK

There isnt really much more detail on the craft other than what Grusch described on Rogan but its an interesting listen if you are interested in the subject.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 9:44 am
Posted by Pendulum
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:51 am to
I agree, I don't believe David Grusch is a genuine actor based on that podcast and his body language and communication, but I still listened to the whole thing. It was interesting in the same way a fictional novel is interesting.


I'm not sure about aliens existing, I have a hard time believing humanity could keep it suppressed if there was crashed vehicles in multiple countries. It's still interesting to me, an unknowable answer at this point. However, the people that are SURE of aliens are the weirdest bunch of people that it's a turn off, makes you predetermined to not believe.
Posted by XenScott
Pensacola
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 9:56 am to
This will be the biggest gaslight since climate change.
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21160 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:10 am to
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He reminded me of Mike Baker, CIA guy he’s had on multiple times. Says a lot without actually saying anything.


The YouTube comments section on Mike Baker clips are always way more entertaining than the actual clips with that douche.
Posted by VanRIch
Wherever
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:13 am to
I listen to almost all of Rogans podcasts but I skip over Mike Baker. Tried listening to the David Grusch one but the dude is just too full of shite. Why come on the show if you’re not really going to say anything. For those that listened to the entire episode, did Rogan ever challenge him on it?
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
8294 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:20 am to
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I agree, I don't believe David Grusch is a genuine actor based on that podcast and his body language and communication, but I still listened to the whole thing. It was interesting in the same way a fictional novel is interesting.


Ive now watched several hours of interviews with Grusch and I agree that there are aspects of how he speaks and his body language that ping my bullshite meter but then again he is autistic. So he may be trying to "act" in a certain way that he thinks will be perceived as credible and instead it comes off as fake. Does that make sense?

I think there may be some truth to what he is saying but without hearing directly from the 40 or so witnesses he claims to have spoken with it impossible to evaluate.

If you would like a more grounded/skeptical discussion on the topic check out Michael Shermer's interview with the auhor Garret Graff on his book UFO: The Inside Story of the U.S. Government's Search for Alien Life. LINK

He talks about the fact that we do have a UFO crash retrieval programs and why wouldnt we. Unknown shite crashes.... has been since manned'flight .The government investigates to determine if any tech knowledge can be gained from the debris. Sometimes its origin is unknown.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 10:23 am
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11713 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:22 am to
David Grusch and Lue Elizondo etc are the approved Soft Disclosure by our government. They have been given permission to slow leak this information so it isn't some out of no where shock to people.

That is my theory. No way our corrupt government would just let them run and tell this stuff if they didn't want it out.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11713 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:24 am to
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Ive now watched several hours of interviews with Grusch and I agree that there are aspects of how he speaks and his body language that ping my bullshite meter


Agree. I think the bullshite part his he is part of the government's plan. They want this stuff slowly leaked out so it isn't a huge shock with mass hysteria.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11713 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:27 am to
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However, the people that are SURE of aliens are the weirdest bunch of people that it's a turn off, makes you predetermined to not believe.


The narrative is Non-Human Intelligence now. Which is even scarier because that most likely means some race advanced so much that they just became technology or their technology destroyed them and became alive. Much easier for AI to travel the universe.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
8294 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:34 am to
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David Grusch and Lue Elizondo etc are the approved Soft Disclosure by our government. They have been given permission to slow leak this information so it isn't some out of no where shock to people.

That is my theory. No way our corrupt government would just let them run and tell this stuff if they didn't want it out.


I think its a bit more complicated and there appear to be multiple factions that want more transparency or less...a LOT less ..... and possibly for good reasons.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:39 am to
The issue I constantly keep running into is the US government is a leaking sieve with information, much less these other places, so how the hell hasn't actual proof come out yet.
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11713 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:50 am to
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The issue I constantly keep running into is the US government is a leaking sieve with information, much less these other places, so how the hell hasn't actual proof come out yet.


One of the big disclosure/whistle blowers said they are using poor foreigners and silos. Poor foreigners are given great lives and basically told you talk then you go back to your country.

Also, a siloed system that we all know about.

Lastly, these people have families and retirements. They are threatened and don't want to lose lives they have built. Also, there is a core belief that the public just cannot handle this information.
This post was edited on 11/22/23 at 10:52 am
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
8294 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 10:55 am to
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so how the hell hasn't actual proof come out yet.


I think it really depends on what exactly we are talking about. Grusch's claims are difficult for me to process....a dozen craft, some quite large, bodies, reverse engineering...all that I would agree would be hard to keep secret for long.
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
8294 posts
Posted on 11/22/23 at 11:00 am to
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Also, there is a core belief that the public just cannot handle this information.


I would add this...you consider yourself a patriot. You have possession of something that will possibly give the US technological advancement over our competition for God knows how long. Do you really want to be responsible for letting that out.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11310 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 8:22 pm to
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Army Colonel Karl Nell


https://www.newsweek.com/catastrophic-ufo-leak-uap-aliens-us-army-colonel-karl-nell-1846123

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Is US on the Verge of 'Catastrophic' UFO Leak? What We Know
Nov 22, 2023 at 12:44 PM EST


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A retired U.S. Army Colonel has said continuing to hide information about UFOs could have "catastrophic" consequences for America, amid new claims that government officials agreed to hold back top-secret research 20 years ago.


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Colonel Karl E. Nell called on a Stanford University conference for a "campaign plan" that would force greater transparency and a "Manhattan project" to reverse engineer recovered UFOs or Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP), the Daily Mail reported on Tuesday. Washington insiders also heard how in 2004, a CIA thinktank, the Defence Intelligence Agency, and the Pentagon, broadly agreed that information about UFOs should not be declassified, deeming the societal risks too great.


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The event on Saturday heard from Col. Nell and former CIA scientist Hal Puthoff. Puthoff made the allegations about the 2004 thinktank discussions, which he said had erred toward not disclosing UFO research details to the public.


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Slides presented by Col. Nell and published by the Mail showed Nell's hopes that disclosure about UAP would be achieved by October 1, 2030, admitting there was "risk" that his timeline targets could fall behind. In the slides, Nell argued his plan, if achieved, would see "Proper Oversight Restored," "Catastrophic Disclosure Avoid," and "Scientific Understanding Advanced." More specifically, Nell advocated for "restoration of proper Federal government oversight over all UAP legacy (and ongoing) program efforts" and "transformative" research and technology programs.


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Grusch told the symposium: "Let us advocate for transparency, not for ourselves, but for the generations to come, as we embark on a journey toward a more enlightened and interconnected world."
Posted by Spaniard
Pine Belt
Member since Apr 2011
1037 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 8:33 pm to
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God is real, they know it, and the government is Satanic, so in a way you’re correct



If they know and they still perform the acts and deeds they do against other human without fear of judgement what does that say about god ?
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 8:35 pm to
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I'm not sure about aliens existing,

Uhhhh...it's not aliens. It's terrestrial non humans that predates mankind. Yeah, they've been here for hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years. That's why the craft crash at times. It's not craft from light years away.
Posted by OweO
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 8:36 pm to
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Kafka


DAMMIT KAFKA WE WARNED YOU. Or whatever silly shite you say when I post.
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