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Data shows barely an epidemic had IL, MA, MI, NJ, NY, PA GOV not sent sick to nursing home
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:59 am
Posted on 7/7/20 at 8:59 am
Looks like the decisions of governors to return sick elderly patients back to nursing homes lead to a significantly larger death rate in Illinois, Massachusetts, New York, Michigan, New Jersey and Pennsylvania. Crazy to think how the poor choices of a couple individuals led to a nation going into complete chaos mode.
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Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:01 am to thadcastle
You can't keep people in the hospital ... they shouldn't have sent them to the nursing home. MANY places like Louisiana and New York (and I'm sure other places) had convention centers etc set up that they could have been sent to ... but what if someone is on the other side of the state and needs to go "somewhere"? What do you do with those people?
Truly not trying to argue but trying to figure out where they should have gone, particularly if no field hospitals were nearby.
I do consulting at a nursing home (working from home still) but I know that we took back only those that were sent out that needed hopsital care and we admitted no one from mid March until probably mid to late May.
Truly not trying to argue but trying to figure out where they should have gone, particularly if no field hospitals were nearby.
I do consulting at a nursing home (working from home still) but I know that we took back only those that were sent out that needed hopsital care and we admitted no one from mid March until probably mid to late May.
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 9:03 am
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:02 am to thadcastle
Dems did it to kill the old vote
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:02 am to thadcastle
I think a good part of the issue is nursing homes with double occupancy rooms
That is 100% reckless
That is 100% reckless
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:03 am to LSUJML
But not everyone can afford a private room and medicare won't pay for it and there's got to be enough revenue to pay staff, supplies, food, etc ... I wish I knew what the answer was to this whole nursing home thing in general.
This post was edited on 7/7/20 at 9:05 am
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:03 am to LSUJML
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I think a good part of the issue is nursing homes with double occupancy rooms
That is 100% reckless
and also necessary in many cases
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:09 am to tiger91
You've also got to remember the outside vendors (x-ray, lab, rehab, etc) that were allowed in to homes (and many still are, even facilities with COVID-positive residents).
These techs, even while dressed in appropriate PPE, enter the facility, perform services on the residents...then leave that facility and go to another one. And another one. Rinse and repeat.
And, sadly--many of these techs have family members that also work in other long term care facilities. Petri dish 101.
And, for bonus points: many facilities had positive cases and didn't report them for some time because they worried about CMS backlash (see: state of Washington).
These techs, even while dressed in appropriate PPE, enter the facility, perform services on the residents...then leave that facility and go to another one. And another one. Rinse and repeat.
And, sadly--many of these techs have family members that also work in other long term care facilities. Petri dish 101.
And, for bonus points: many facilities had positive cases and didn't report them for some time because they worried about CMS backlash (see: state of Washington).
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:12 am to thadcastle
Muh this isn’t political
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:12 am to tiger91
Oh I know & most places unless built in last few years are set up for 2 people
My Aunt is in a place that has 4 to a restroom
Where my Grandpa is is private rooms only
It makes me wonder if more places will go to private rooms only as a way to isolate after this
My Aunt is in a place that has 4 to a restroom
Where my Grandpa is is private rooms only
It makes me wonder if more places will go to private rooms only as a way to isolate after this
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:19 am to thadcastle
This is good information and I gave you an upvote for sharing it but the 64 dollar question is what did the other states do differently in managing their elderly Covid-19 cases?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:22 am to LSUJML
quote:
I think a good part of the issue is nursing homes with double occupancy rooms
That is 100% reckless
Too bad. Medicare doesnt pay much. If the families dont like it they can take care of their elderly family members like humans had for thousands of years until we decided nursing homes were a good thing.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:22 am to tiger91
quote:Bet if they stopped stealing money each check and calling it social security, they would be able to afford their own room.
But not everyone can afford a private room and medicare won't pay for it
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:45 am to thadcastle
That chart makes no sense. What does COVID % of deaths weekly mean?
If they're measuring all states on a weekly basis, each week should add up to 100%.
Are they comparing the US to the rest of the world?
If they're measuring all states on a weekly basis, each week should add up to 100%.
Are they comparing the US to the rest of the world?
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:48 am to thadcastle
What explains the current explosion, then. I don't disagree with the premise that sending them back to nursing homes made things a lot worse, but to say it would otherwise have been barely and epidemic...
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:50 am to Cosmo
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Too bad. Medicare doesnt pay much. If the families dont like it they can take care of their elderly family members like humans had for thousands of years until we decided nursing homes were a good thing.
Are you saying it was ok to send a Covid positive resident back into a shared room?
I was speaking in terms of Covid
In no away do I think Medicare should provide private rooms for everyone
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:52 am to tiger91
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. they shouldn't have sent them to the nursing home. MANY places like Louisiana and New York
Yet New York sent them back to nursing homes instead of using the field hospitals? I know there were reports that they were barely used, but hard to trust what you read these days.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:53 am to Jim Rockford
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What explains the current explosion, then
Deaths are not really following cases anymore? I know they say there is a 2-3 week lag, but deaths are still going down even though the cases started rising weeks ago.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:55 am to tiger91
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You can't keep people in the hospital
The push to get them out of the hospital was due to these awful models that our government followed as gospel. The models and the governments response are what led to mass death at these nursing/LTC facilities.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:57 am to UltimaParadox
I guess we'll see. I've read that the bump in deaths in the sunbelt is being masked by the continued decline of deaths in the northeast. I haven't looked deeply enough to know if that's valid or not.
Posted on 7/7/20 at 9:59 am to thadcastle
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Crazy to think how the poor choices of a couple individuals led to a nation going into complete chaos mode.
It's not "poor choices". This was done intentionally by dem governors to kill off likely Trump voters.
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