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re: Danny Masterson Sentenced To 30 Years In Prison After Rape Convictions
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:16 pm to northshorebamaman
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:16 pm to northshorebamaman
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I don't believe that simply getting away with certain crimes like rape, murder, or child molestation should afford someone leniency if eventually convicted so I don't agree with you, but I get your argument.
I don't either, I just don't think the maximum sentence should be warranted here given the circumstances.
I'm not saying you shouldn't be punished for your actions. and i'm 100% not saying we shouldn't have prisons, but prison makes people worse for the most part. They don't come out reformed more often than not. So for someone who's been living for the last 20 years as a normal good citizen, i wouldn't want to subject them to pound me in the arse prison. You want to sentence them to 5-10 years in Martha Stewart prison, fine by me.
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but I find it troubling that someone can be convicted of rape based solely on testimony
this is more of the reason why i say 30 years is way way too long for this circumstance. That's essentially a life sentence for him, a guy with a 9 year old kid who's been criminal free for 20 years. I'm all for prisons, and doing your time, but this just doesn't make sense to me.
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:19 pm to Alt26
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However, it seems like we have to juxtapose that with a me too culture that now demands society to "believe all women". That mindset is the COMPLETE antithesis to our criminal justice system which mandates the accused is innocent unless proven guilty. A cry to "believe all women" based upon nothing more than an initial allegation seems to potentially create very dangerous societal climate. One where the accused is seemingly forced to overcome a societal mindset that all women should be believed without question, rather than the cornerstone of our justice system where the state has the burden to prove the accused is guilty.
One could also argue the "me too" movement has created a cultural climate where it is almost seen as virtuous to be a "victim". While certainly that has probably led to a lot of long time scumbags/criminals finally getting a just punishment for their actions, it's hard to argue it hasn't also led to a lot of women using such allegations as a "sword" to attack men they feel have wronged them. For example, what may have been completely consensual sex 15 years ago may now be viewed in hindsight as "rape" through the perspective of a scorned ex. And when such allegations are made 15, 20, 25 years after the alleged event, the only evidence often lest is the testimony of the parties involved. It's not like murder, or other physical crimes which are investigated soon after the event and physical evidence is quickly gathered. Here you have situations where people (generally always men) may face decades in prison almost SOLELY based upon if the jury likes the accuser. It is a very, very scary prospect to think a scorned lover or someone with a grudge can completely and totally unexpectedly destroy your life 20 years after one sexual encounter that seemed to be consensual at the time.
If the "me too" climate has caused women to be less fearful and ashamed of reporting they were raped immediately after it occurs, that is a good thing. But destroying lives based upon alleged decades old acts with scant evidence outside of mere allegations should be a very big concern as well.
There's an easy solution to this, but no politician will go near it. Women who make false rape claims need to be given the same sentence that the man would get if the claims were true. The Brian Banks story still makes me angry to this day. I believe there are a lot of men who are sitting in prison over fake rape claims just like Banks did for 6 years. Absolutely fricking nothing happened to the woman who falsely accused him.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:22 pm to jatilen
So...can we still watch reruns of That 70's show and laugh?
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:28 pm to MikeD
30 years for this is over the top, especially when it’s no physical evidence.
Should be 10 max.
Should be 10 max.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:33 pm to VADawg
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There's an easy solution to this, but no politician will go near it. Women who make false rape claims need to be given the same sentence that the man would get if the claims were true. The Brian Banks story still makes me angry to this day. I believe there are a lot of men who are sitting in prison over fake rape claims just like Banks did for 6 years. Absolutely fricking nothing happened to the woman who falsely accused him.
i'm going to preface this with a statement. Rapists are evil and deserve to have their dicks cut off through paper cuts by the hour. I have 0 sympathy.
THAT BEING SAID.... your Brian Banks story triggered me.
I worked at a school district in Texas about 10-15 years ago. I was the network coordinator, so wireless, cameras, switches fell under my purview.
There was an accusation of rape from a rich white female by a young black male. Because police got involved, my video guy and I got pulled into the investigation. One of these assaults was reported on school grounds.
We got their class schedules and then started tracking them by camera. White chick leaves her class and makes a b-line straight to the black dudes class. they hug and then walk throughout the school holding hands. after following them for a few days, we find an instance where they go under some stairs and she pulls him out of the camera's view. i hate to assign the word to it, but "seductively." they're under there for a while and come out. then they continue to walk holding hands.
when we find this, we present to the parents and police. parents start getting heated with their princess and she confesses that they were dating and when her parents found out, she accused him of rape to take the heat off her dating a black guy. they drug her out of there and i never heard another word from the police over it.
i don't use this kind of language often, but i'd like to emphasize:
F*CK. THAT. LITTLE. B*TCH. SHE. WAS. WILLING. TO. RUIN. THIS. KID'S. LIFE. FOREVER.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:48 pm to 3nOut
Rape laws in this country are extraordinarily fricked up. A man can meet a woman at the bar, both have a few drinks, and willingly go home together and hook up. If she wakes up the next day and remembers she has a boyfriend or would be embarrassed if her friends found out, she can claim rape and his life is ruined forever while she can move on like nothing happened. Even if he is completely exonerated, no one will ever hire him because his name is forever attached to a rape claim.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 4:56 pm to jatilen
The sentencing seems a bit much. I didn’t follow the case but what actual evidence is there he drugged and raped these girls 20 years ago while they were all Scientologists?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:05 pm to jatilen
If I had plenty of money and a 20 year old crime I knew about I'd have a plan.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:43 pm to jatilen
Not a fan of cases like this. If there is no physical evidence, there at least needs to be a trail of assault reported. Just going off he said/she said is crap.
And I have a daughter. I hope I raised her strong enough to not wait 20 years to report something like this. And to not join a cult in the first damn place.
And I have a daughter. I hope I raised her strong enough to not wait 20 years to report something like this. And to not join a cult in the first damn place.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:43 pm to jatilen
He's a scientologist so automatically guilty. Lock him up
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:47 pm to TDTOM
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This should not be allowed.
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TDTOM
I think the OT needs to do some digging on this guy. He's got some skeletons.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:52 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Damn, there must have been some pretty compelling evidence to convict a guy 20 years later of rape.
exactly, I read the story and was wondering the same thing. What is the proof that this happened?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:56 pm to Ponchy Tiger
I'm guessing the harassment of the victims from him and his people played a role in convicting him?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 5:56 pm to Ponchy Tiger
Don’t you have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the crime happened?
With just words… how do you accomplish that?
With just words… how do you accomplish that?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 6:00 pm to BluegrassBelle
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The Church of Scientology doesn’t believe in rape
Lolwut
Posted on 9/7/23 at 6:02 pm to dgnx6
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what actual evidence is there he drugged and raped these girls 20 years ago
There was no evidence of drugging. In the first trial, the prosecution was not allowed to claim they were drugged. But in the second trial, the judge allowed them to claim it in order to ensure a conviction.
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[Judge] Olmedo allowed prosecutors and accusers to say directly in the second trial that Masterson drugged the women, while only allowing the women to describe their condition in the first.
Masterson was not charged with any counts of drugging, and there was no toxicology evidence to back up the assertion. The issue could be a factor in a planned appeal from the defense of Masterson’s conviction.
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 6:06 pm to jrowla2
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30 years for this is over the top, especially when it’s no physical evidence.
Should be 10 max.
Should be zero. No one should ever lose their freedom based on accusations alone.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 6:12 pm to jatilen
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[Judge] Olmedo allowed prosecutors and accusers to say directly in the second trial that Masterson drugged the women, while only allowing the women to describe their condition in the first. Masterson was not charged with any counts of drugging, and there was no toxicology evidence to back up the assertion. The issue could be a factor in a planned appeal from the defense of Masterson’s conviction.
Not even close to being a legal expert but this seems not legal along with the “experts” for Scientology. I’m sure this will be stuck in appeals for a while.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 6:22 pm to MrFreakinMiyagi
Seems innocent until proven guilty is no longer a thing in this country. Too many examples of overwrought emotionality becoming more important than actual evidence in trials and prosecutions.
That said, I believe that Scientology being involved had a big influence on the results of this trial.
If you want to go down a rabbit hole, research the Scientology Helipad in Clearwater. CoS owns a ton of downtown Clearwater, and atop one of their properties is a helipad which is extremely well secured. Because of the ridiculous security around this helipad, all sorts of tin foil hat theories exist. I had an HVAC guy working on my AC earlier this year who said he had to work on some equipment on that roof, and he wasn't allowed any communication or recording devices near it, was frisked and searched before he could get up to the roof to make sure, and always had multiple armed guards around him.
He said the only thing weird about the helipad was the absurd security. That kind of fruitcake paranoid behavior will always make someone look closely at the fruitcake displaying it.
That said, I believe that Scientology being involved had a big influence on the results of this trial.
If you want to go down a rabbit hole, research the Scientology Helipad in Clearwater. CoS owns a ton of downtown Clearwater, and atop one of their properties is a helipad which is extremely well secured. Because of the ridiculous security around this helipad, all sorts of tin foil hat theories exist. I had an HVAC guy working on my AC earlier this year who said he had to work on some equipment on that roof, and he wasn't allowed any communication or recording devices near it, was frisked and searched before he could get up to the roof to make sure, and always had multiple armed guards around him.
He said the only thing weird about the helipad was the absurd security. That kind of fruitcake paranoid behavior will always make someone look closely at the fruitcake displaying it.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 9/7/23 at 6:22 pm to Delacroix22
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Don’t you have to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that the crime happened?
So the law says
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With just words… how do you accomplish that?
are they leaving something out of the these articles? Very weird.
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