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re: Daily Mail: Noah’s Ark resting place 100% confirmed
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:18 am to Salmon
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:18 am to Salmon
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bad faith science isn't interesting and certainly not from an academic standpoint
I know, you’ve made up your mind that these people are grifters and this is all a con. Perhaps it is. Perhaps it’s not. None of us are in a position to definitively declare their intentions either way.
And the fact they solicit funding doesn’t make them any different than any research team. All research teams require funding and all solicit funds. Some go to governments for funding, some to universities, some to NGOs. But they all do it in one way or another.
And let’s not pretend that its common for researchers to come to whatever conclusion the entity that’s providing their finding wants them to come to. “Global Warming” anyone?
I’m sorry if it bothers you that I’m keeping an open mind on what they’re doing. Maybe they’ll find something real, maybe they won’t.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:21 am to AwesomeSauce
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I think it's conceptual. The people of that time only knew their world. There are other civilizations that recognize heavy flooding during what is attributed to be the time of Noah. It's not out of the realm that it was a heavy localized flooding event that wiped out a localized group of peoples in a given region.
I honestly find it easier to fathom that
But that isnt the noahs ark story. That is just flooding that has always happened.
The part we have trouble believing is that a guy heard a voice from the sky that told him the flood was coming and went and gathered up 2 of every living animal and saved them to repopulate the world on a huge boat that he built by himself.
Which is what this thread is about, finding that huge boat and it somehow despite being made of wood survived long enough to have a mountain build on top of it before the wood eroded.
This post was edited on 9/24/26 at 10:23 am
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:22 am to sgallo3
quote:That's embellishment to make the story stand out and teach a good lesson.
The part we have trouble believing is that a guy heard a voice from the sky that told him the flood was coming and went and gathered up 2 of every living animal and saved them to repopulate the world on a huge boat that he built by himself
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:23 am to Jake88
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That's embellishment to make the story stand out and teach a good lesson.
So why are people claiming that boat is in this mountain?
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:25 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:String theory. The existence of our universe and the viability and extravagance of it is only mathematically possible or probable if there are something like 10^500 universes that failed the constant viability or viability at all of our own.
Where did this even come from?
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:29 am to sgallo3
quote:The "researchers"? Money. The layperson? They want their faith confirmed, though they are nit supposed to need that, hence, "faith."
So why are people claiming that boat is in this mountain?
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:30 am to kingbob
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So, in short, I subscribe to the theory that there was a massive cataclysm at the end of the last ice age which included large floods that did not cover the earth but did cover nearly everywhere ice age humans actually lived with any population density. The survivors (whether they escaped floods on boats or fires by burrowing underground) created oral traditions to preserve the memory of the cataclysm as they attempted to rebuild the civilizations that were destroyed. The legend of Noah’s Ark is just one example.
I agree with this 100%
I believe in the major flood event where humans were living, or at least the humans who survived to create oral traditions that flowed into what became the remanents of humans thereafter.
Now, is this Noah's Ark, Atlantis, or whatever? No idea.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:32 am to Cito2point0
quote:If one believes in chance, then the only scientific explanation other than supreme luck that a 1 in septillion occurrence for the only universe ever created somehow possesses a single planet in it's billions of galaxies could sustain life.
I don’t think people believe there are millions of universes. Scientists estimate there are billions if not trillions of galaxies. Deep space telescopes (Hubble, James Webb) have shown the existence of more than previously thought.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:33 am to Darth_Vader
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I’m sorry if it bothers you that I’m keeping an open mind on what they’re doing. Maybe they’ll find something real, maybe they won’t.
It doesn't bother me, nor do I believe you are "just keeping an open mind".
And yes, we can definitively call something a grift when it is very obviously a grift.
The Turkish government doesn't allow full on excavations? Why? Because its a tourist attraction and they have to keep the mystery.
This "team" uses classic grifter language and strategy. And it keep repeating itself. Just need more money and next time we will definitively prove it. Trust us. Don't worry. I'll link this thread next year when we have the same thread.
And from an academic standpoint (which you referenced), its a grift because they are conducting science in bad faith. Meaning they formed an hypothesis and are now testing to prove that hypothesis. That is backwards. That is in bad faith. That is bad science.
In good science, you form a hypothesis, and then you test to disprove your hypothesis. And then once all of your tests have failed, you put it out into the world and other scientist test your hypothesis.
This post was edited on 9/24/26 at 10:34 am
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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These guys date their find to 2300 BC
It makes it pretty difficult for a worldwide, or even regional, flood to occur at such a rate that this ark would be floating high enough to be placed on that mountain in 2300 BC, given the existence of these societies and the history we know flowed from this point
Are you asking if I believe the flood discussed in the Bible happened in or around 2300 BC?
No, I don’t believe that’s possible from a timing standpoint.
The article says the samples they have collected will be tested. So, if they’ve not been tested, how can a time period be ascribed to anything? In fact, the article states one of the tests they’ll do is to see if there is even wood present in the samples they’ve collected. They haven’t even confirmed the material is even wood.
The article also says, and this is a word for word quote…
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The team must isolate suitable organic material from its core samples and submit it for radiocarbon dating before it can determine whether the site fits that timeline.
It’s entirely possible they have their timeline completely wrong.
Again, I’m not ready to say this thing is the actual Noah’s Ark. but I think there is something there. What that something is, I don’t know. But I hope they find out whatever it is.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:39 am to Darth_Vader
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Are you asking if I believe the flood discussed in the Bible happened in or around 2300 BC?
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Note: this doesn't say anything about the concept of Noah's ark, generally. This also has nothing to do with the Bible, generally. Don't try to spin your response into either.
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It’s entirely possible they have their timeline completely wrong.
It's likely they have everything completely wrong. That's the point.
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Lauren Witzke, director of marketing and fundraising for Noah's Ark Scans, claimed the formation's uppermost section is deteriorating.
'The top, and most exposed, tier is decaying, and the hardened mudflow encasing the rims of the boat are basically the only thing holding it together,' she said.
'It's very fragile, as to be expected with 4,300-year-old wood. But beneath the surface, the bottom two layers appear to still be intact, and we believe we have hit a floor of petrified wood.'
The fact they're promoting 4300 years ago should be a HUGE red flag for anyone looking at this objectively and critically.
With a straight face they are claiming it's 4300 years old, which puts it at 2300 BC. This is a direct quote, not interpretation or insinuation.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's likely they have everything completely wrong. That's the point.
Researchers often are.
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The fact they're promoting 4300 years ago should be a HUGE red flag for anyone looking at this objectively and critically. With a straight face they are claiming it's 4300 years old, which puts it at 2300 BC. This is a direct quote, not interpretation or insinuation.
And this is one of the reasons I’m not buying them entirely. Like I said, I think there is something up there. I don’t know what it is, but I do think there is something. And, it’s possible that something,just might possibly be Noah’s Ark. There are some indications that it could be. I’m interested to find out the truth. But until I see more evidence, I’ll remain in the “I don’t know” camp.
This thing could turn out to be man-made, but does that prove it’s Noah’s Ark? No. It might be some old temple or fortification from some long-forgotten civilization. And it’s not out of the realm of possibility that it’s absolutely nothing. Who knows?
I’m not buying the claim that this is “100% confirmed” to be Noah’s Ark. But I’m also not ascribing to the notion that it’s 100% confirmed to be nothing.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 10:51 am to AwesomeSauce
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possesses a single planet in it's billions of galaxies could sustain life.
We have no way of knowing if other galaxies have life. The light we currently see from them would be thousands/millions of years old and vice versa. So any planet/galaxy we currently see we are seeing how it looked how ever many light years away.
A galaxy 10,000 light years away would see no sign of intelligent life on earth.
Most people can’t comprehend the size of the universe.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:00 am to TDsngumbo
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GOD is good and faithful
As evidenced by his murder of everyone else on Earth except for Noah and family. And you forgot loving and merciful. These are the types of things I thought about in my youth as a Catholic altar boy while listening to the priests.
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We probably shouldn't be fricking with it. Faith requires that proof doesn't exist in my opinion.
And therein lies the problem with organized religion. You can't be wrong if you don't have to provide evidence. And that's a dangerous thing, especially when it blends into politics and country.
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:02 am to AwesomeSauce
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String theory.
Thanks, I knew that. I meant that your statement of it came out of nowhere within the context of the thread. Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:12 am to Cito2point0
i am curious that if the published images are legit in showing the structures and scientifically verified and accepted, there is structure found beneath the soil as they claim to demonstrate, and if the core samples come back with carbon dated decayed organic material, what then?
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:20 am to Shamoan
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what then?
they publish their results and other scientist test/analyze their results
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:28 am to Salmon
i guess i wasn't clear in my question. when i said "and scientifically verified and accepted", i meant that what you suggest has already taken place, meaning his findings have been found accurate independently and verified regarding subterranean manmade structure and organic material. what if science says this was likely a large wooden structure dated to the time of this particular "fairy tale"...what then?
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:30 am to Shamoan
keep studying it?
Posted on 9/24/26 at 11:33 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:How do people believe this...while not questioning those that rely on that.
came out of nowhere within the context of the thread
Seems plenty in context. The thread went from discussing the 'discovery' to people asking how anyone could possibly believe this occurred. Once the discussion turned to how any one could believe X, then I think it certainly opens up to that. It seems no more out of context than the questioning of other theological principles which I believe even you took part in.
I think that if one is open to criticize the beliefs of others then countering beliefs are fair to criticize or at least spell out. The truth is everyone in here has faith in something. Whether that's built upon theology or scientific theory. Neither is concrete outside of laws which neither prove nor disprove one belief or the other.
This post was edited on 9/24/26 at 11:36 am
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