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re: Craziest/Shadiest/Scariest thing you saw in Katrina Aftermath
Posted on 9/1/18 at 2:23 am to Hammertime
Posted on 9/1/18 at 2:23 am to Hammertime
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I lived in Slidell at the time, and drove through Pearlington today. Don't forget there was an entire rest of the coast that took the brunt of it
I've gone home a few times since Katrina but have never brought myself to go back to the coast yet.
When Katrina hit, I had relatives from my dad's side of the family living in Pearlington. (I may be wrong on the street name...Adam, Andy, something like that...I remember they were by a Fire Station.) They told me that the town was effectively blown off the map. Everyone was running to New Orleans and a few trickled to other parts of the coast and they were more or less left to their own devices for better than 2 weeks. My cousin told me years later that the first response group that she remembered seeing was an outfit of Royal Canadian Mounted Police!
Posted on 9/1/18 at 4:58 am to EastBankTiger
Laying on the slate floor after fixing the roof, tent city, one legged chicken, puerto rican national guardsmen, fdny food, the guy who survived the towers falling, the chief claiming a pitbull from the dog pen and proceeding to train it, the FDNY that helped me with the branches, the NYPD\FDNY vs national guard football game, GWB sept 11th visit, the rotty that escaped from the dog pen and stayed by my side all night, the asian guy pissing in the middle of an intersection in gretna, the nights of helicopters and gun shots, the burned out levee car, the empty clothes racks where the busses stopped on I-10, the half drunk milk jug on the stump, the smell of St. Bernard at that first house party, the NOPD with the rifle standing behind the sandbags, that feeling when I knew I needed to go back.
It is weird the things you remember and the things you want to forget.
It is weird the things you remember and the things you want to forget.
Posted on 9/1/18 at 5:46 am to bencoleman
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The sheet piles were capped by concrete. I don't remember how deep they went into the ground but I remember wondering who thought that was an acceptable design?
I laid out portions of the new wall in the lower ninth ward. I don't think it's going anywhere.
There were two main types of walls- I walls and T walls. T walls had battered piles and mostly didnt fail. I-walls on the other hand were built with safety factors of ~.9, and failed in all sorts of walls- shear, overturning, overtopping, and eventually some disintigrated due to no armoring.
They were designed and built poorly. Thats squarely on the USACE for the design/build, ans om the levee authority for virtually no maintenance.
Posted on 9/1/18 at 5:56 am to IHuntdux
The worst thing was that smell. Everything stunk. We stunk our houses stunk, outside stunk.
Worst we saw was a rotted body in Mississippi.
My dad's co-worker was the father of a famous local musician. He died and someone tied is floating body to a pole.
Sad times.
I remember how we would go on hunts to find the National Guard so we can get MREs.
Also almost everyone was open carrying.
Worst we saw was a rotted body in Mississippi.
My dad's co-worker was the father of a famous local musician. He died and someone tied is floating body to a pole.
Sad times.
I remember how we would go on hunts to find the National Guard so we can get MREs.
Also almost everyone was open carrying.
Posted on 9/1/18 at 6:47 am to IHuntdux
We brought USA TODAY newspapers to Lamar Dixon where hundreds of people were staying. Those people had no idea how bad NOLA was and the looks on their faces as they looked the photos in these papers is something I’ll never forget.
That and every convenience store in Gonzales was completely sold out of liquor and beer.
That and every convenience store in Gonzales was completely sold out of liquor and beer.
Posted on 9/1/18 at 7:09 am to Cincinnati Bowtie
The day after happened the USA today headline said.
"Katrina takes aim at coast, New Orleans spared"
"Katrina takes aim at coast, New Orleans spared"
Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:46 am to Napoleon
Two stories that stuck with me from friends who knew close relatives (cops) who worked the aftermath in NOLA.
First one was from a Sheriff Deputy that said one evening at dusk a black-out urban assault vehicle pulled up at the CP and a squad of high tech swat dudes got out and went into CP. They emerged a few min later and drove off. The question of course for the bystanders was "who was that?" Answer... that was the Seals, they are going hunting tonight.
Another from a State Trooper who went through the Lower Ninth Ward shortly after the water went down and had pics of many dead bodies on the roadside and this was supposedly after the storm casualty tally. It was assumed this was from the street crime in a completely lawless area at the time.
First one was from a Sheriff Deputy that said one evening at dusk a black-out urban assault vehicle pulled up at the CP and a squad of high tech swat dudes got out and went into CP. They emerged a few min later and drove off. The question of course for the bystanders was "who was that?" Answer... that was the Seals, they are going hunting tonight.
Another from a State Trooper who went through the Lower Ninth Ward shortly after the water went down and had pics of many dead bodies on the roadside and this was supposedly after the storm casualty tally. It was assumed this was from the street crime in a completely lawless area at the time.
Posted on 9/1/18 at 8:53 am to GetmorewithLes
So were the SEALs really sniping looters?
I.Know JPSO and NOPD likely covered up some things. I actually am fine with killing anyone looting anything other than food and water.
I.Know JPSO and NOPD likely covered up some things. I actually am fine with killing anyone looting anything other than food and water.
Posted on 9/1/18 at 9:14 am to GetmorewithLes
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It was assumed this was from the street crime in a completely lawless area at the time.
This is the type of story that still aggravates me to this day. The dead bodies in the Lower 9th were people that didn’t get out in time. The Lower’s population before Katrina consisted of older folks who actually owned homes. I worked with the coroners office for weeks riding around helping to determine cause of death for the records. Most were drowning, a few were heat related only 3 out of the hundreds that were documented were from gunshots and all 3 were ruled suicides. 2 of them still had the gun in their hand when we found them.
Posted on 9/1/18 at 9:19 am to IHuntdux
Houston's crime rate spiked to an all time high, I lived there at the time and we were all pissed about it.
Posted on 9/1/18 at 9:26 am to Napoleon
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So were the SEALs really sniping looters?
I can't speak for every single thing that happened, but this is unlikely. The FBI sent a special team, whether it was HRT or a SWAT team, I'm not sure. The 82nd Airborne was armed "for self defense", but because there was no declaration of martial law, federal troops were not enforcing the law - at least not officially.
I can say that those NOPD units that passed through the dome were looking very tactical by Wednesday. The order came down, "Stop rescuing people. Start enforcing the law" - at least to law enforcement authorities around Wednesday or Thursday. Now, the Coasties and other resources (like National Guard troops) were still rescuing folks, of course. But NOPD were in jump suits and carrying rifles Wednesday and Thursday after the storm. I can verify that personally.
In fact, I had to dispatch a rescue mission for other national guard forces on Wednesday or Thursday (IIRC - could have been Friday, but unlikely). A truck was stuck in the front yard of Rep. Jefferson's house. Apparently, Mayor Nagin had loaned him one of our trucks and drivers to "go check on his house" and the truck got stuck in the softened soil. So, I had to send another truck out there to unstick them.
Recall this was after his D.C. area home was raided, but before his office was raided (not until 2006). My assumption was always that he feared there was a federal warrant for his New Orleans home and he wanted to clear it prior to any raid that might be done by the FBI during the chaos after Katrina. This was right about the time the FBI troops arrived.
Posted on 9/1/18 at 11:16 am to Ace Midnight
I knew a cop who said JPSO killed four looters at Sams on airline.
But there were so many tall tales then.
But there were so many tall tales then.
Posted on 9/1/18 at 4:55 pm to EastBankTiger
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My cousin told me years later that the first response group that she remembered seeing was an outfit of Royal Canadian Mounted Police!
I had a small group of military folks walking through my neighborhood a day or two after who were wearing all-navy coveralls—figured they were US Navy. I asked where they were stationed and they said they were Dutch. I welcomed them to America and told them that it usually looked a lot nicer around here.
Posted on 9/1/18 at 5:04 pm to GetmorewithLes
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Two stories that stuck with me from friends who knew close relatives (cops) who worked the aftermath in NOLA.
Your friend's relatives lied to them.
Posted on 9/2/18 at 11:36 am to Ace Midnight
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In fact, I had to dispatch a rescue mission for other national guard forces on Wednesday or Thursday (IIRC - could have been Friday, but unlikely). A truck was stuck in the front yard of Rep. Jefferson's house. Apparently, Mayor Nagin had loaned him one of our trucks and drivers to "go check on his house" and the truck got stuck in the softened soil. So, I had to send another truck out there to unstick them.
Recall this was after his D.C. area home was raided, but before his office was raided (not until 2006). My assumption was always that he feared there was a federal warrant for his New Orleans home and he wanted to clear it prior to any raid that might be done by the FBI during the chaos after Katrina. This was right about the time the FBI troops arrived.
Was that when Jefferson went to pull the money out his freezer?
Posted on 9/2/18 at 12:17 pm to Napoleon
This post was edited on 9/8/18 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 9/2/18 at 12:32 pm to gingerkittie
So the National Guard were just handing out guns to strangers without knowing if they had any experience with a firearm?
Posted on 9/2/18 at 12:46 pm to Yaboylaroy
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This post was edited on 9/8/18 at 7:44 pm
Posted on 9/2/18 at 12:52 pm to Yaboylaroy
I was watching from the Pentagon and checking in with family on a daily basis...
my uncle and his partner lived out by 9 mile point and were one of the first to have an emergency generator...I'd call and check up and there were two good stories I remember:
the first - he went out to get his water, MRE's and ice in Westwego, said the MRE's were for the hunters in the family, half the water was in his refrigerator, and the rest of the water and ice were for the vigilantes down the street (he lived right up at the entrance to their area off River Road and the residents blocked entry and set up a guard force
his area was one of the last to get power back on and this one still makes me laugh (even though we lost both of them this year)...called him up and asked if he finally got power, said yes and they got the whole house working again...told me the first thing his partner (my other "uncle") did was to go back to his smoking room and the back to get away from my uncle...i was roaring with laughter when i told him "you old married couple you"...
my uncle and his partner lived out by 9 mile point and were one of the first to have an emergency generator...I'd call and check up and there were two good stories I remember:
the first - he went out to get his water, MRE's and ice in Westwego, said the MRE's were for the hunters in the family, half the water was in his refrigerator, and the rest of the water and ice were for the vigilantes down the street (he lived right up at the entrance to their area off River Road and the residents blocked entry and set up a guard force
his area was one of the last to get power back on and this one still makes me laugh (even though we lost both of them this year)...called him up and asked if he finally got power, said yes and they got the whole house working again...told me the first thing his partner (my other "uncle") did was to go back to his smoking room and the back to get away from my uncle...i was roaring with laughter when i told him "you old married couple you"...
Posted on 9/2/18 at 12:59 pm to gingerkittie
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Dont care who believes it or not. Sad that a person would go thru what my fiance went thru and people deny what happened when they weren't even there.
I just have a hard time believing the National Guard, someone who is trained to use that weapon, would hand a fire fighter their rifle to shoot. Not calling you a liar its just my thoughts on it. I have no idea what went down.
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