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Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:38 am to uway
Shut up dude.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:38 am to LNCHBOX
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How do people still not get what flattening the curve actually accomplishes? You've had almost two months to figure it out
Has any group at large scale died in the US from not being able to access hospital or medical care due to a shortage?
The answer is overwhelmingly no. The point was to prevent the spike, which we did. Continuing to shelter in place indefinitely if causing more harm than good as now all states have had time to get everything in place to treat the next wave.
We were supposed to flatten the curve, not prevent every possible death until a vaccine. It's fricking maddening that this is how the media and Karens (you) of the world are treating this and continuing to move the goal post.
Flatten the curve. Check
Need more testing. Check
Need more ventilators. Check check check
Now?
WHY DO YOU WANT TO KILL PEOPLE BY WORKING is the last emotional resort
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:45 am to uway
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In the future, do you think that we should wait for better data before we shut down the economy, substantially limit everyone's rights, sow fear in the populace that gets dads cuffed for playing in the park, etc, in the face of a novel virus?
In the future, my hope is we have an administration that takes the threat seriously and moves heaven and earth to limit its impact here. We're nearly 4 months into this and still don't have adequate testing kits available.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:48 am to jimmyb1234
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0.27% - 0.357%, barely above the seasonal flu's rate of .1%
TIL that something 250% higher is barely higher.
I wish my dick was barely longer.
I wish my wallet was barely fatter.
I wish my wife's tits were barely bigger.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 11:49 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:48 am to The Spleen
quote:100% false.
We're nearly 4 months into this and still don't have adequate testing kits available.
It is as if you continue pushing this, it will be true again.
This hasn’t been an issue for weeks. At least two weeks, hell, probably since mid-March.
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 11:51 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:50 am to LNCHBOX
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It never became an issue.
I'd disagree.
You can disagree all you want but zero people were unable to access care.
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Almost as if we did something to make that so...
We did a lot. We had social distancing in place and we ramped up hospital bed availability. We didn't come close to firing every bullet we had.
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Is it more or less flawed than pretending that the distancing measures didn't have any effects on how this virus has impacted us?
I haven't suggested that at all. I asked for you to support your conclusion that our hospitals would absolutely have been overwhelmed under the assumption that this study was accurate.
You didn't come close to doing that and instead just made a statement that it absolutely would have happened.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:51 am to Scruffy
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100% false.
It is as if you continue pushing this, it will be true again.
This hasn’t been an issue for weeks. At least two weeks.
Yeah, at least where I live no one should have any trouble getting tested. Unless he is talking about widespread testing of the non-symptomatic. I wonder if that is practical, and I question the utility.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:51 am to The Spleen
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my hope is we have an administration that takes the threat seriously and moves heaven and earth to limit its impact here
the media and Democratic party would've fricking rage rioted if Trump shut down travel everywhere, cancelled Mardi Gras, cancelled Dem primaries and Super Tuesday, closed down Vegas, closed down Disney World, etc.
it's just not possible in any rational sense, and Fauci, the CDC, and WHO weren't even reccomending that at the time. that would've been straight up dictatorial and to criticize it now is just armchair quarterbacking
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 11:52 am
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:52 am to SloaneRanger
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Unless he is talking about widespread testing of the non-symptomatic.
That is what I'm talking about. I know in most areas there are adequate kits to test those with symptoms.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:53 am to jimmyb1234
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COVID-19 ranges from 0.27% - 0.357%, barely above the seasonal flu's rate of .1%
Since when is triple "barely above"?
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:54 am to jimmyb1234
I guess if it doesn’t happen to you or someone you care about...
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:55 am to Eighteen
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the media and Democratic party would've fricking rage rioted if Trump shut down travel everywhere, cancelled Mardi Gras, cancelled Dem primaries and Super Tuesday, closed down Vegas, closed down Disney World, etc.
Well, I'm not arguing for any of those actions. I am talking about securing necessary medical equipment, setting up supply chains to get that equipment to affected areas quickly, coordinating with states on the above, being honest with the American public, etc.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:56 am to The Spleen
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That is what I'm talking about. I know in most areas there are adequate kits to test those with symptoms.
testing asymptomatic people would be a complete waste of time and money with no benefit. please rationally explain how it would work and what it would solve
keep in mind those administering the test would be cycling through insane amounts of the general public, leading to the testers themselves potentially getting the virus and then having the potential to pass it off to those they are testing.
someone could get the test and get infected an hour later, so even the test came back negative would be useless information and data
the magnitude of tests, workers, PPE for the workers, lab employees to run the tests, censusing involved is insane to think about.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:57 am to PrivatePublic
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TIL that something 250% higher is barely higher
The point is that they wouldn't have been able to sell this to the public with a .3% death rate.
Also, if it's anywhere near the rate of death caused by the seasonal flu for which we generally have a vaccine and certainly know how to treat, that seems like more evidence that we wildly overreacted to a relatively mild virus and actually "not any worse than the flu" in a certain sense.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:57 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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TIL that something 250% higher is barely higher.
I wish my dick was barely longer.
I wish my wallet was barely fatter.
I wish my wife's tits were barely bigger.
250% of a small number is a small number
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Since when is triple "barely above"?
Triple of a small number is still a small number
what % decrease of deaths from the flu could see every year if we recommended social distancing/stay at home policies every flu season along with mandatory flu shots and testing for every citizen?
the flu has a vaccine and most people actively choose not to get it
This post was edited on 4/21/20 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 4/21/20 at 11:58 am to Chuck Barris
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Do you really think its that people all around the world want their economies to be damaged
There is absolutely a segment of our population, specifically within the political world and media world that wants the economy to be damaged. Some want it destroyed. I don't think this is debatable. You see it every day.
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do you think it's more likely that they either believe lifting restrictions too soon will cause greater economic damage than waiting a bit longer or that the cost in lives will not be worth the economic gains?
Only retards would think the economic damage would be greater if we open now. I think there are a lot of people who are scared of lifting restrictions too early because they are fearful of what might happen if we do that from a health perspective.
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Remember, if this is political, it's not just political for the USA. It would be political in every nation at the same time.
Most nations made the same call based on the same data that was available. Most nations are now opening up at a pace that really wasn't fathomable about 2-3 weeks ago.
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So the virus itself isn't a hoax, the dead people aren't a hoax, and the predictions of experts about its severity weren't a hoax, making "hoax" a pretty misleading and deliberately inflammatory word to be throwing around.
I realize that the semantics of this are important to you. They aren't to me. You can call it whatever you want to call it. I'll be VERY clear.
If the truth ends up being that COVID-19 has a death rate of .001-.003 as this study is suggesting then we made a HUGE blunder in shutting down the economy. Furthermore, if it is shown that the data that led to those decisions was flawed intentionally (for whatever motives, even with good intentions), then everyone was significantly misled.
If you don't want to call that a hoax, I really don't care. It's not important.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:00 pm to jimmyb1234
The Chinese Flu Death Cult will never admit what anyone with a lick of common sense knew from the beginning - this was the flu. And a large percentage of those who won't publicly admit it knew from the beginning, but had ulterior motives for pushing the panic.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:01 pm to Scruffy
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Considering that most research estimates that social distancing/mitigation efforts will have from 20-30% impact on infection rates, the initial estimates that were used to fuel hysteria were so overblown that we can’t exactly justify it based on those numbers.
70-90% reduction seen in areas is more of a sign that the initial numbers used to fuel this hysteria were so beyond faulty that they should have been disregarded from the get go.
Yes, clearly the shutdown had an impact. That is how it works.
But what sort of impact is unknown considering the abomination of the initial models.
If we would have had our current models at the start of this, we never would have undergone the extreme measures that we took.
It wouldn’t make sense to.
This is why he won't attempt to support his statement with something that backs it up. He'll either avoid it so he doesn't have to admit it, or he'll start researching it, realize his position is based on misinformation, and then run from the conversation.
Posted on 4/21/20 at 12:02 pm to Eighteen
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testing asymptomatic people would be a complete waste of time and money with no benefit. please rationally explain how it would work and what it would solve
It's what South Korea did with great success. Obviously there are more challenges to implementing it here compared to South Korea, but even still it took us weeks to even get enough kits to test symptomatic people.
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the magnitude of tests, workers, PPE for the workers, lab employees to run the tests, censusing involved is insane to think about.
It is, but this is the United States. We've overcome huge challenges since our founding. It's what makes us what we have been.
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