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Counting Cards in Blackjack?

Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:50 pm
Posted by yankeeundercover
Buffalo, NY
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:50 pm
Of course I've googled the best tricks to learn, but does anyone know any apps or techniques that will improve this ability?

I mean I understand the "method" and the "how", but I'm hoping to learn about a app/service that will effectively "test" you after several hands are dealt.

TIA
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:51 pm to
How about you work and invest wisely instead of being a degenerate gambler
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by crazycubes
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:52 pm to
I always figured that there was a reason it was called the MIT Card Counting Team.
Posted by LetTheValleyShake
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

Counting Cards in Blackjack


He's like Rain Man except you can touch him and shite.
Posted by tiger rag 93
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:54 pm to
There are several good youtube videos that will allow you to practice. A good place to start is just grabbing a deck of cards and working on keeping a count faster and faster.
Posted by TheIndulger
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:55 pm to
The dealers and pit boss will be totally cool with you staring at your black jack card counting app while you play
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:57 pm to
The problem is most blackjack tables are 6 deck shoes and NO ONE can count a 6 deck shoe. If you're playing single or double deck it's much, much easier.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:58 pm to
I tried once. I got all the way to 46 but then they shuffled.
Posted by ksayetiger
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:58 pm to
My buddy would do it by getting a cocktail. Each card over ten he would move the straw couterclockwise, each card under ten he would move it clockwise.

Bet high when count was in his favor. Made a shitload of money. Only got busted once
Posted by FLAK88
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 12:59 pm to
KMART SUCKS RAY!!
Posted by eScott
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:01 pm to
The problem is the drunks that split 7s when the dealer has a bust card.
Posted by Perrydawg
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:03 pm to
do you want your legs broken because that is how you get your legs broken
Posted by Tactical1
Denham Springs
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:07 pm to
quote:

The problem is most blackjack tables are 6 deck shoes and NO ONE can count a 6 deck shoe. If you're playing single or double deck it's much, much easier.


While it may be frowned upon.

A player can request to know how many cards are left in a particular deck no matter how many decks are in the shoe.

If a dealer is asked, they will have to tell the player.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:08 pm to
quote:

NO ONE can count a 6 deck shoe


Well, certainly not in this situation
Posted by pbro62
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:08 pm to
I am guessing by this post you have no shot
Posted by TROLA
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:09 pm to
I did for a while years ago but only with single and double decks.. If you stay sharp, you can win but its a grind. Became to taxing to continue grinding out a few hundred here and there. You start betting big and they will eventually catch on and either kick you or ban you. If you are near a bunch of casinos and spread out your sessions, you can blend in just fine.

I practiced with single and double decks at home until I was comfortable. Took a month of sporadic practicing to feel completely confident. You will be nervous the first few sessions even-though its technically not illegal.

ETA: For perspective.. I averaged it out after a few months and figured out that I was making around 7 bucks an hour...
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 1:20 pm
Posted by link
Member since Feb 2009
19867 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:09 pm to
quote:

I mean I understand the "method" and the "how"
then why do you think this is a winning long term strategy? they have 6 and 8 deck shoes that make the counts not as meaningful and reliable. and the smaller deck shoes, if you can find them which is doubtful, don't have enough penetration to be useful. you're not the first person with this idea...if there was a place to find a countable game, it would have long been exploited, deemed unprofitable, and removed.

you're going to spend a lot of time learning your +1s, 0s, and -1s, and it's not going to amount to any more money. in fact, you'll probably lose, and you'll just go back to memorizing the basic strategy chart.

Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67482 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:10 pm to
quote:

While it may be frowned upon.

A player can request to know how many cards are left in a particular deck no matter how many decks are in the shoe.

If a dealer is asked, they will have to tell the player.

Not disputing what you're saying but NO ONE can count a 6 deck shoe.....you're head would explode after 5 minutes if you tried.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 1:10 pm to
To answer your question, I don't know of any apps but then I did it before smartphones existed. I learned how by shuffling four decks and then just flipping each card over until I reached the end. You know how many of each card is in the deck, so you should know what your final count is. Keep doing this until you are flipping the cards as fast as you can and get the right number at the end.

If you just want to do it for fun, knock yourself out. But I really think counting only lessens your loss if you aren’t on a team. Your theoretical edge isn’t big enough to compensate for the fact that your bankroll is much smaller than the casino’s. The day will one day come when the count is really in your favor, you bet high amounts, and just by sheer luck will lose a long string anyway and be unable to continue. Someone did a paper on this in the Journal of Financial Economics (believe it or not) showing that you really need a 58% edge or more to beat the casino, and counting won’t get an individual there.

Fact is, plenty of dealers count themselves and know perfectly well what you’re doing. So long as your min bet is under $25 or so and your bet ratio isn’t ridiculous they’re fine with it, because you’re still going to lose.

A good team can win, but the eye in the sky watches very carefully for this sort of thing. The reason we know about the MIT team is, of course, that they were caught.
There are computers you can wear on your person that promise a 60% or more edge. But if you get caught that’s a fairly serious crime in most jurisdictions, and even if not the casino will simply refuse to let you play if you keep winning.

There’s a guy who was famous awhile back for winning ludicrous sums in Atlantic City but he was a big fish who was able to negotiate special rules and was better at estimating their impacts that the casino statisticians. Definitely an outlier.
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