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re: Could a human enter a black hole to study it?

Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:54 pm to
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:54 pm to
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seems like you would be crushed by the intense gravity

Not really how it works. You’re technically in a free fall, so a person who occupies a single point of space would effectively experience weightlessness. That person would just accelerate as they get closer to the singularity, because gravitational force increases as two objects get closer together.

The issue is that the human body (and whatever vessel that human is using to enter the black hole) is not a single point in space. We have dimensions, and volume. So the tidal forces (e.g. the difference in gravitational pull on separate parts of an object) would tear you apart.

So if you’re diving in feet first, at some large distance away from the black hole your feet and head experience roughly the same gravitational pull. Your body experiences uniform acceleration - a normal free fall.

As you get closer, the gradient gets steeper. Maybe your head is experiencing 1G of gravitational force but your feet are experiencing 2G. Eventually that difference in gravitational pull between your head and toes starts to overcome your body’s ability to hold itself together, and you literally get torn apart and turned into space spaghetti.

But if the black hole is big enough, you can make it far beyond the event horizon before the tidal forces get strong enough to tear you apart because the event horizon is much further away from the singularity than it would be for a small black hole.
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:54 pm to
im not high enough for this thread
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:55 pm to
my post covid brain cant handle this
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 10:59 pm to
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im not high enough for this thread


It would be easier to understand if the people explaining it on the first couple of pages didn't have it backwards.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 11:04 pm to
One of the more disturbing scenes I have watched in a movie.

"Hell is just a word, the reality is much much worse..."
Posted by Kjnstkmn
Vermilion Parish
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 11:09 pm to
So you’re saying you really do never come back, once you go black hole
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 11:15 pm to
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from what little I recall reading on such stuff, if you could survive being right outside the event horizon, you can similarly survive being just inside it. You personally wouldn't notice a difference, you've just crossed the point of no escape.

This is pretty accurate AFAIK. “Spaghettification” happens independently of crossing the event horizon. It’s just a question of where the tidal forces reach that point.

The more massive the black hole, the further away the event horizon is from the singularity.

The further away the event horizon is from the singularity, the less tidal forces would be experienced at the event horizon.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 11:19 pm to
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Wait, what about frame of reference? Real time you won’t perceive the time dilation, but people at the original frame of reference would see it last forever.


I know. I said if you dived into the black hole feet first, your feet and legs would be stretched more than you head. But as your feet and legs are closer to the singularity and therefore subject to greater time dilation, you will stare down at your feet stretching but it will take an eternity for them to stretch. Your feet are in a different frame of reference from your head.
Posted by adavis
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Posted on 1/23/22 at 11:41 pm to
Masterful. We’ll done.
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 6:24 am to
Why are you all speaking as if these are facts? Have you created one to study? Have you been in one?

Nobody knows what will happen. It’s all theory.

For all we know once you go black (hole) you do go back.
Posted by Ajo Devil
Tempe, AZ
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:05 am to
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seems like you would be crushed by the intense gravity

I didn't mention Lizzo specifically.
Posted by KILGUS
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 9:42 am to
Some theories back in the day were that time may actually stop at the event horizon.
Posted by Corso
Atlanta
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Posted on 1/24/22 at 10:58 am to
I swear there was one explain it to me like I'm 5 post on here one time that explained a black hole perfectly. I don't know who it was or how many years ago it was but I wish I could remember everything that guy said. I do remember it was the first time I'd heard that it's not actually a hole but a sphere. Is that right?
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