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re: Corpus Christi: Town Is an Energy Powerhouse. It’s Running Out of Water
Posted on 10/13/25 at 1:30 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 10/13/25 at 1:30 pm to Joshjrn
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"The draft permit authorizes the discharge of water treatment wastes at a daily average flow not to exceed 34. 3 MGD initial phase and 51. 5 MGD final phase via Outfall oo1."
There are so many different de-sal projects being looked at currently they all kind of running together in my head, at last count I believe there were 5 in the pipeline all trying to be the first to get permits and to be funded. The City pulled the plug on theirs which seemed to be the furthest along after the cost went to 1.2 billion.
Not sure how far down the rabbit hole anyone wants to go but here is a rather extensive study done by the GLO and TPWD about de-sal along the Texas coast. There position is it is doable but it must be responsibly, all water intake and discharge must be done well offshore in the gulf.
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"The draft permit authorizes the discharge of water treatment wastes at a daily average flow not to exceed 34. 3 MGD initial phase and 51. 5 MGD final phase via Outfall oo1."
There are so many different de-sal projects being looked at currently they all kind of running together in my head, at last count I believe there were 5 in the pipeline all trying to be the first to get permits and to be funded. The City pulled the plug on theirs which seemed to be the furthest along after the cost went to 1.2 billion.
Not sure how far down the rabbit hole anyone wants to go but here is a rather extensive study done by the GLO and TPWD about de-sal along the Texas coast. There position is it is doable but it must be responsibly, all water intake and discharge must be done well offshore in the gulf.
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Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:05 pm to LSUDad
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Did you know Exxon Refinery in Baton Rouge removes Mississippi River water and uses it in their refinery operations?
Yep... stepdad was the head of projects department at the refinery... they actually pump cleaner water back into the river versus what they take out of the river... less sediment, less chemicals, less debris
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:06 pm to Powerman
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The city council voted it down because they're morons.
This. They completely dropped the ball, and the citizens get to pay the price.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:08 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Dealing with a bazillion gallons of brine every day is a different issue entirely.
Natural gas was a byproduct of oil exploration and production. Somebody will find a way to profit from brine and make money from it. Capitalism solves problems.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:12 pm to brightsideman
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Pretty sure Exxon taps water from an aquifer.
City water, well water and river water.
They don’t shutdown wells. It would cost too much to open a well back up. A few of the older wells are put on timers, to run everyday.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:13 pm to Joshjrn
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Why can’t we just put it on a badge and dump that silt into the marsh to build up the swamps?
Because the sludge is, as one would imagine, hyper saline. It will absolutely murder (practically) any organism it comes into contact with, including “salt water” sea life.
Water out of the gulf yes, but does the same go for river water out of the Mississippi at the Exxon plant? That’s what I was asking about.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:16 pm to deltadummy
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deltadummy
Name checks out. Continue.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:19 pm to EphesianArmor
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Is there a greedy AI Data Center nearby encroaching on the water supply?
Near CC? No, don’t think so.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:21 pm to HenryParsons
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Then whats all that blue stuff on the map?
Mexico doesn’t exist…? Weird map.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:26 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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stepdad was the head of projects department at the refinery.
I might know him.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:30 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
To further my pitch to audit/force water reduction by the industrials that soak up 75 % of Corpus water consider the following 2 approaches.
a.....continue with the Desal plant to produce a new 20 million gal per day of water costing 1.2 billion dollars and brine disposel
b....Cause Exxon/Sabic to replace the evaporative coolers saving 20 million gallon per day of fresh water at a cost of 150 million for 2-3 acres of fin fan coolers and no environmental effects.
gosh there might be a ten to one difference in approaches. Trump might like that.
a.....continue with the Desal plant to produce a new 20 million gal per day of water costing 1.2 billion dollars and brine disposel
b....Cause Exxon/Sabic to replace the evaporative coolers saving 20 million gallon per day of fresh water at a cost of 150 million for 2-3 acres of fin fan coolers and no environmental effects.
gosh there might be a ten to one difference in approaches. Trump might like that.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:32 pm to Trevaylin
I’m concerned…what if we don’t get that rain? What if the reservoir dips so low we can’t pump any water?
These are questions the city council needs to be on top of, but I’m not convinced they are after the way they voted down desal. Are we going to enter third world status where we stand in line for a couple of jugs of water a day?
Property values will plummet, people will lose jobs, and a mass exodus will start with people who can afford to leave. This city has no plan to stay afloat, pun intended.
These are questions the city council needs to be on top of, but I’m not convinced they are after the way they voted down desal. Are we going to enter third world status where we stand in line for a couple of jugs of water a day?
Property values will plummet, people will lose jobs, and a mass exodus will start with people who can afford to leave. This city has no plan to stay afloat, pun intended.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:39 pm to ragincajun03
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Lots of research being done on it, and small scale projects. I think getting the water to the necessary specs is still EXTREMELY expensive.
It’s being done all the time at scale especially in the Middle East.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:40 pm to TxWadingFool
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They are coming up with ways to extract several minerals from the brine that make it somewhat less toxic, they can then turn around and sell the extracted minerals to offset the cost of the process.
This is what my questions were going to be about.
I know every winter the midwest needs a shitload of various salts for ice-melt. I'd imagine some of that sludge would be useful in creating that. I won't even pretend to know what the cost would be.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:55 pm to ragincajun03
There was a desalination facility in the works.
It was in the works until the City Council put it on hold to review finances.
It was in the works until the City Council put it on hold to review finances.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 2:56 pm to ProjectP2294
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I know every winter the midwest needs a shitload of various salts for ice-melt. I'd imagine some of that sludge would be useful in creating that.
that's using your noggin baw, we're going to solve this before the day is over!
Posted on 10/13/25 at 3:02 pm to alajones
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Will we ever embrace desalination plants?
They are pretty common in arid regions for drinking water...turning saltwater into fresh water to produce energy is a form of alchemy...if you have the energy available to run a desal plant you have MORE than enough energy to do anything you could possibly want to do. Its akin to using diesel fuel to grow crops to use to turn into diesel fuel....the return is less than the investment.
Posted on 10/13/25 at 4:21 pm to TexasTiger08
Another industrial water curtailment approach might be to prohibit rail car washing within the water shed area. Most all of the cars must be inspected/cleaned on return from the customers. If that requires water, do the cleaning in Bastrop or Orange Texas. There is a lot of railcars.
The data exists to rationalize how much rain is available to meet a 99 percent availability . It takes a Big Balz type nerd with Monti Carlo type probablity analysis but the info and calc's are possible
The data exists to rationalize how much rain is available to meet a 99 percent availability . It takes a Big Balz type nerd with Monti Carlo type probablity analysis but the info and calc's are possible
Posted on 10/13/25 at 4:33 pm to TexasTiger08
"enter third world status". I have a venture proposal with a leading HVAC company in Corpus Christi to develop a cheap modular water storage tank and pump system that could be installed on houses to provide water during the upcoming curtailments.
I have been to many third world countries and the one common utility is a storage tank on the roof of houses and shops. Should my venture take off, it would be worth millions
I have been to many third world countries and the one common utility is a storage tank on the roof of houses and shops. Should my venture take off, it would be worth millions
Posted on 10/13/25 at 4:36 pm to ragincajun03
Move to California
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