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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 3/23/20 at 8:09 pm to
Posted by Niner
Member since Apr 2019
2033 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 8:09 pm to
Some of you really should just go study the long history of the S&P 500 before you make blanket statements like
quote:

The longer we're down, the longer and slower we come back.

How long did it take an investor to make their money back after 2008/2009? What about the crash in 1987? What about the US savings and loan crisis in 1998?

Hint: the longer the crisis lasts does not have much bearing on how quickly the eventual recovery is.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20974 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 8:10 pm to
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Cases will skyrocket due to volume of testing alone



????

Nobody is getting COVID-19 as a result of getting the test. When access to testing is freely available, anyone with a fever can get tested and get the results the same day. If it's positive, his family and coworkers can immediately get tested. The barber who cut his hair the day before can get tested. And if any of them are positive, then the virus can be stopped before any of them spread it to anyone.

When we have that capability, people don't have to work from home and avoid the barbershop, which is what we have to do now. That's because now, by the time someone can get tested and get the results, they have likely passed the virus on to several people -- if they get tested at all.

South Korea proved that you can control COVID-19 with enough testing. Iceland is in the process of doing the same thing -- a lot of people don't realize that Iceland's outbreak is worse than Italy's, on a per capita basis.
Posted by Puffoluffagus
Savannah, GA
Member since Feb 2009
6468 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 8:17 pm to
In some ways it's interesting to see New York being so aggressive in testing.
They account for nearly half of all positive tests in the u.s. and demonstrating a fatality rate 0.8%.

Posted by MadDogs
Member since Jul 2018
454 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 8:31 pm to
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You think that after 2 weeks we’ll just call it quits on this?

I sincerely hope you are right.

I'm right there with you Scruffy. Hoping for the best, but definitely planning and expecting the worst. There is nothing that is going to change with this epidemic that is going to cause these restrictions to be lifted in two weeks. Pressure from the population might do it though. No leader will give a straight answer when asked about how long things will be in place. This isn't because they don't have an idea; it is the same reason why they gradually implemented the restrictions in the first place. Better to break bad news slowly rather than all at once. They obviously have some data they are looking at when making the decision to add restrictions (at least I sure as hell hope they do) so it would stand to reason this same data has given them some idea of when the restrictions can be eased back.

I would not be surprised at all if we are talking about months, which would of course be catastrophic to many families and businesses. Just because some on here are in position to weather this financially, doesn't change the fact that many are not. It doesn't make them irresponsible either. Some were gradually clawing there way to financial security; others just don't make enough money for that to even be a thought. Personally, I'll be OK as long as this doesn't drag on for 6 months or longer. At that point projects will dry up and customers just aren't going to have money to spend, even if they need to.

This article in the paper talked about this very subject and here is a telling quote.

quote:

Mark Cameron of the Department of Population and Quantitative Health Sciences at Case Western Reserve University said public health experts are looking for signs that coronavirus cases are on the other side of the peak. That puts us months away, Cameron said.

During the SARS outbreak in Toronto, Cameron said, there were two waves of infection -- the second of which came after social distancing measures were too quickly eased.


“Letting down guard too early is part of the equation,” Cameron said.

The idea, he said, is to keep measures in place long enough for scientists and doctors to roll out potential therapies and a vaccine for COVID-19. Both approaches are months away. A flatter curve is also a longer curve.

LINK

I have attempted to remain optimistic through this, but it is getting increasingly difficult.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 8:33 pm
Posted by Burhead
Member since Dec 2014
2100 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 8:33 pm to
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New: More than 2,400 NYPD officers are now out sick, or 6.6% of the department. 100 sworn members of the police force have tested positive for coronavirus, @Tom_Winter
reporting
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105316 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 8:58 pm to
That sounds bad but I would like a comparison to how many are out on a typical day.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:07 pm to
Numbers looking better.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:10 pm to
Gov Cuomo said it’s going to be 4-9 months.

I’m sticking with my prediction that they will relax the restrictions starting around June/July and then slap them back on in September through end of winter. We come out on the other side a different country, a country with millions on hard economic times who weren’t before, but our healthcare system will still be operating and the core pillars of our country will remain standing and provide the foundation that will allow us to rebuild. We will rebuild and by the end of Trump’s second term we will be back on track and more prepared for the next pandemic at every level, from the individual on up. We’ve been blessed as individuals and a country to have never dealt with anything like this for over 100 years, and it has been a rude awakening that we were not adequately prepared and we are paying the price.

I pray to God my prediction is wrong. I pray this turns into a relative dud and we are close to back to normalcy in the next few months.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 9:12 pm
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
4998 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:19 pm to
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Jon Ham


Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
52225 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:27 pm to
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The stock market was tanking well before we started shutting everything down.




Coming in with the hot, yet completely inaccurate take. Shocker.
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29691 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:30 pm to
What’s your prediction?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78453 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:35 pm to
Can you add Italian death trends 1/2 to your graph?
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40230 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:38 pm to
GOP do you see people who aren’t sick getting tested at some point or the need for it? Or who cares? Just curious if they would do this if tests were readily available.

If I would happen to have it, I’d love to know due to where I work and older parents. But negative today doesn’t mean negative in tomororw, in a week or longer.

Just curious.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 9:38 pm
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:43 pm to
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Can you add Italian death trends 1/2 to your graph?


So maybe some explanation is needed there.

US Death Trend 1 closely followed US deaths from like 3/3-3/17, and then on 3/18 deaths spiked and have been growing at that new rate ever since, which is how "US Death Trend 2" came to be.

As you can see the Italian death rate has been decreasing by the day, so it would be difficult to get the rate/slope as every day would be different.

What I could do is go back before March 1st and look at inital rates and see how we got to the March 1st numbers you see there and then compare, but theres going to be obvious differences evident- scale, population density, etc.

Hopefully that makes some amount of sense.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105316 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:44 pm to
You would need an antibody test to see if you had ever been exposed to it.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78453 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:45 pm to
I was asking just to illustrate how far off a 7 day out prediction would be with the limited data.

I guess really you would need to do death lines based on Italy's data 7 days ago to match with America's data today.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 9:47 pm
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11821 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:45 pm to
LOL. Trump will not get a second term in your scenario.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:50 pm to
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I was asking just to illustrate how far off a 7 day out prediction would be with the limited data.


Ah ok, so like now until 4/1?

I can take a stab and see what happens.

Overall I suspect what you will see is that the US will have more deaths and cases than Italy by first week of April IF (thats a capital IF) current rates hold.

Whether or not that actually happens I have no idea.

Eta: I can do both suggestions to see what happens.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 9:52 pm
Posted by hehateme2285
Katy, TX
Member since Dec 2007
5317 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:52 pm to
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Gov Cuomo said it’s going to be 4-9 months. I’m sticking with my prediction that they will relax the restrictions starting around June/July and then slap them back on in September through end of winter. We come out on the other side a different country, a country with millions on hard economic times who weren’t before, but our healthcare system will still be operating and the core pillars of our country will remain standing and provide the foundation that will allow us to rebuild. We will rebuild and by the end of Trump’s second term we will be back on track and more prepared for the next pandemic at every level, from the individual on up. We’ve been blessed as individuals and a country to have never dealt with anything like this for over 100 years, and it has been a rude awakening that we were not adequately prepared and we are paying the price.


There’s no second term for Trump if this happens
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
78453 posts
Posted on 3/23/20 at 9:53 pm to
That wouldn't be a surprising stat though.

You can already see the bend in Italy and the US isn't that far behind. The projections that far ahead are looking at rates that will not hold.
This post was edited on 3/23/20 at 9:55 pm
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