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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 3/14/20 at 6:27 pm to
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 6:27 pm to
For the LSU fans.

Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 6:36 pm to
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Covered several pages back. Had underlying health issues which likely contributed.


My bad. Been working on contingency plans and hadn't been surfing recently.
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 6:37 pm to
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For the LSU fans.


Pretty sure that applies more to us. But you’re a Buckeye, so I guess you’re forgiven.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29905 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 6:42 pm to
We all hate Florida. It's what brings us all together. We can harness the hate to stop this virus.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:08 pm to
Because a little humor is a good thing.

Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:40 pm to
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This is from a front-line ICU physician in a Seattle hospital This is his personal account: * we have 21 pts and 11 deaths since 2/28. * we are seeing pts who are young (20s), fit, no comorbidities, critically ill. It does happen. * US has been past containment since January * Currently, all of ICU is for critically ill COVIDs, all of floor medsurg for stable COVIDs and EOL care, half of PCU, half of ER. New resp-sx pts Pulmonary Clinic offshoot is open * CDC is no longer imposing home quarantine on providers who were wearing only droplet iso PPE when intubating, suctioning, bronching, and in one case doing bloody neurosurgery. Expect when it comes to your place you may initially have staff home-quarantined. Plan for this NOW. Consider wearing airborne iso PPE for aerosol-generating procedures in ANY pt in whom you suspect COVID, just to prevent the mass quarantines. * we ran out of N95s (thanks, Costco hoarders) and are bleaching and re-using PAPRs, which is not the manufacturer's recommendation. Not surprised on N95s as we use mostly CAPRs anyway, but still. *terminal cleans (inc UV light) for ER COVID rooms are taking forever, Enviro Services is overwhelmed. Bad as pts are stuck coughing in the waiting room. Rec planning now for Enviro upstaffing, or having a plan for sick pts to wait in their cars (that is not legal here, sadly). * CLINICAL INFO based on our cases and info from CDC conf call today with other COVID providers in US: * the Chinese data on 80% mildly ill, 14% hospital-ill, 6-8% critically ill are generally on the mark. Data very skewed by late and very limited testing, and the number of our elderly pts going to comfort care. - being young & healthy (zero medical problems) does not rule out becoming vented or dead - probably the time course to developing significant lower resp sx is about a week or longer (which also fits with timing of sick cases we started seeing here, after we all assumed it was endemic as of late Jan/early Feb). - based on our hospitalized cases (including the not formally diagnosed ones who are obviously COVID - it is quite clinically unique) about 1/3 have mild lower resp sx, need 1-5L NC. 1/3 are sicker, FM or NRB. 1/3 tubed with ARDS. Thus far, everyone is seeing: - nl WBC. Almost always lymphopenic, occasionally poly-predominant but with nl total WBC. Doesn't change, even 10days in. - BAL lymphocytic despite blood lymphopenic (try not to bronch these pts; this data is from pre-testing time when we had several idiopathic ARDS cases) - fevers, often high, may be intermittent; persistently febrile, often for >10d. It isn't the dexmed, it's the SARS2. - low ProCalc; may be useful to check initially for later trending if later concern for VAP etc. - up AST/ALT, sometimes alk phos. Usually in 70-100 range. No fulminant hepatitis. Notably, in our small sample, higher transaminitis at admit (150-200) correlates with clinical deterioration and progression to ARDS. LFTs typically begin to bump in 2nd week of clinical course. - mild AKI (Cr <2). Uncertain if direct viral effect, but notably SARS2 RNA fragments have been identified in liver, kidneys, heart, and blood. * characteristic CXR always bilateral patchy or reticular infiltrates, sometimes perihilar despite nl EF and volume down at presentation. At time of presentation may be subtle, but always present, even in our pts on chronic high dose steroids. NO effusions. CT is as expected, rarely mild mediastinal LAD, occ small effusions late in course which might be related to volume status/cap leak.


frick
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26630 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:44 pm to
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frick


No offense but this is why people think you're fear mongering. How about you summarize some of this in bullets and non-medical jargon?
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
24837 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:45 pm to
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we are seeing pts who are young (20s), fit, no comorbidities, critically ill. It does happen.

I guess this is the worrisome part if true
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:47 pm to
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Then they turn the corner, off Flolan, supined, vent weaning, looking good, never any pressor requirement. Then over 12hrs, newly cold, clamped, multiple-pressor shock that looks cardiogenic, EF 10% or less, then either VT->VF-> dead or PEA-> asystole in less than a day. Needless to say this is awful for families who had started to have hope. - We have actually had more asystole than VT, other facilities report more VT/VF, but same time course, a few days or a week after admit, around the time they're turning the corner. This occurs on med-surg pts too; one today who is elderly and chronically ill but baseline EF preserved, newly hypoTN overnight, EF<10. Already no escalation, has since passed, So presumably there is a viral CM aspect, which presents later in the course of dz.


Is this reliable? I hope not
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
68460 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:47 pm to
Sparties dun that one to me earlier.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49413 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:47 pm to
That is like 3-4 days old
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26630 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:47 pm to
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It does happen.


is NOT good, clean, statistical data. Of course it does, quantify it. shite.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53509 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:48 pm to
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guess this is the worrisome part if true


Nobody said young people never ended up in the ICU.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:53 pm to
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That is like 3-4 days old


Someone said it’s been debunked. Is that true?
Posted by MadDogs
Member since Jul 2018
454 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:53 pm to
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Is this reliable? I hope not

Not a doctor here but that seems to imply a cardiac component to this. That has been mentioned in some of the other accounts I've seen from the Chinese b doctors. Can you provide a more meaningful description?

The part about turning the corner and ending up dead quickly seems to match the account I read from one of the family members of a nursing home patient in Washington.
Posted by MadDogs
Member since Jul 2018
454 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:56 pm to
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Someone said it’s been debunked. Is that true?

Not sure about the original source or it's veracity, but it does seem designed to evoke the exact reaction you had.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49413 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:57 pm to
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Someone said it’s been debunked. Is that true?


I almost want to say that when I first read it it came from Italy
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
40026 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:58 pm to
Not a doctor, but I understood what that was about to know that the doctor that wrote that is saying the shite hit the fan.

Guess the way Trump on down has been acting, now know how bad this crap is.
Posted by MadDogs
Member since Jul 2018
454 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 7:59 pm to
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I almost want to say that when I first read it it came from Italy

I was thinking the same thing and some didn't trust it because the Twitter account had no history.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 3/14/20 at 8:00 pm to
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Not sure about the original source or it's veracity, but it does seem designed to evoke the exact reaction you had.


I hope so. The cardiomyopathy issue is concerning. However if true that could explain the reason it’s killing more men. Men have a higher incidence of heart disease.
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