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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:15 am to The Boat
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:15 am to The Boat
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CDC director Robert Redfield admitted some Americans who seemingly died from influenza were tested positive for novel #coronavirus in the posthumous diagnosis, during the House Oversight Committee Wednesday. #COVID19
LINK
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Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:17 am to Tiguar
So basically this thing has been masquerading as the flu for the past couple months?
In the not doom and gloom side of things, they just got all the tests back from Jazz personnel. Out of 58 people who had contact with gobert, only Donovan Mitchell tested positive. And both he and gobert were so mild symptomaticslly that they we’re going to play last night
In the not doom and gloom side of things, they just got all the tests back from Jazz personnel. Out of 58 people who had contact with gobert, only Donovan Mitchell tested positive. And both he and gobert were so mild symptomaticslly that they we’re going to play last night
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:17 am to Ignignot
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Explain how it is MORE contagious, please.
Studies from Europe discovered that RNA shedding in the throat in the five days prior to symptoms were 10 times higher than common influenza strains.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:19 am to tigerfan88
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So basically this thing has been masquerading as the flu for the past couple months?
pretty much, genotyping has this virus originating in China in late oct/early nov. they didnt start noticing it until December.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:19 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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There’s no flu shot for this.
I think this may be over played. Chances are this will be gone before a preventive shot will help.
Stick to the basics
Wash hands
Avoid contact
Call before going to dr/hospital
Wait at home and feel like poo for a few days
Even if you have it, they wouldn't give the shot, they'd triage and treat the patient accordingly to diagnosis and problems.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:19 am to tigerfan88
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So basically this thing has been masquerading as the flu for the past couple months?
I don’t think there’s any doubt that it has, which is pretty reassuring.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:20 am to Ignignot
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More deadly, yes
Explain how it is MORE contagious, please.
It is believed to have a higher R0 score than the seasonal flu. Meaning an infected person, on average, will infect more people around them with COVID19 than they would with the flu.
There is also a pretty common thought that you can be infectious while asymptomatic for longer periods with COVID19.
Those things, plus the lack of vaccine, cause it to be more contagious. The real numbers of COVID19 are WAY higher than being reported right now and the seasonal flu numbers are usually quite over-inflated with patients that actually never tested positive for the flu.
This post was edited on 3/12/20 at 10:21 am
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:20 am to TheCaterpillar
LINK
European CDC Risk Assessment:
Highlighted some points of interest. I wish they would expand on the reasoning why they feel the general population in Europe is considered to be moderately at risk while here everyone is saying there is a low risk to the younger demographic?
European CDC Risk Assessment:
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Executive summary
As of 11 March 2020, 118 598 cases of COVID-19 were reported worldwide by more than 100 countries. Since late February, the majority of cases reported are from outside China, with an increasing majority of these reported from EU/EEA countries and the UK.
The Director General of the World Health Organization declared COVID-19 a global pandemic on 11 March 2020.
All EU/EEA countries and the UK are affected, reporting a total of 17 413 cases as of 11 March. Seven hundred and eleven cases reported by EU/EEA countries and the UK have died. Italy represents 58% of the cases (n=10 149) and 88% of the fatalities (n=631). The current pace of the increase in cases in the EU/EEA and the UK mirrors trends seen in China in January-early February and trends seen in Italy in mid-February.
Need for immediate targeted action
In the current situation where COVID-19 is rapidly spreading worldwide and the number of cases in Europe is rising with increasing pace in several affected areas, there is a need for immediate targeted action. The speed with which COVID-19 can cause nationally incapacitating epidemics once transmission within the community is established, indicates that in a few weeks or even days, it is likely that similar situations to those seen in China and Italy may be seen in other EU/EEA countries or the UK.
There are no vaccines available and there is little evidence on the effectiveness of potential therapeutic agents. In addition, there is presumably no pre-existing immunity in the population against the new coronavirus and everyone in the population is assumed to be susceptible. Clinical presentations of COVID-19 range from no symptoms (asymptomatic) to severe pneumonia; severe disease can lead to death. While the majority of cases (80%) are milder respiratory infections and pneumonias, severe illness and death is more common among the elderly with other chronic underlying conditions, with these risk groups accounting for the majority of severe disease and fatalities to date.
Risk assessment
The risk of severe disease associated with COVID-19 infection for people in the EU/EEA and UK is currently considered moderate for the general population and high for older adults and individuals with chronic underlying conditions, based on the probability of community transmission and the impact of the disease.
The risk of healthcare system capacity being exceeded in the EU/EEA and the UK in the coming weeks is considered high. The impact and risk assessment on health system capacity can be mediated by the application of effective infection prevention and control and surge capacity measures.
The risk of transmission of COVID-19 in health and social institutions with large vulnerable populations is considered high. The impact of transmission in health and social institutions can be mediated by the application of effective infection prevention and control and surge capacity.
The EU/EEA and the UK are quickly moving toward a scenario of sustained community transmission of COVID-19. The situation is evolving very quickly and a rapid, proactive and comprehensive approach is essential in order to delay transmission, as containing transmission to local epidemics is no longer considered feasible. A rapid shift from a containment to a mitigation approach is required, as the rapid increase in cases, that is anticipated in the coming days to few weeks may not provide decision makers and hospitals enough time to realise, accept and adapt their response accordingly if not implemented ahead of time. Measures taken at this stage should ultimately aim at protecting the most vulnerable population groups from severe illness and fatal outcome by reducing transmission and reinforcing healthcare systems.
Highlighted some points of interest. I wish they would expand on the reasoning why they feel the general population in Europe is considered to be moderately at risk while here everyone is saying there is a low risk to the younger demographic?
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:21 am to UpToPar
I dont know why you think that this is reassuring. It clearly acted atypically enough once it became prevalent to be noticed.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:21 am to GeorgeTheGreek
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There’s no flu shot for this.
We didn’t have a shot for h1n1 at this point either as it was ravaging college campuses when none were shut down.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:21 am to BottomlandBrew
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My dad has come down with a bad lower respiratory condition in the past few days. He literally checks all the boxes for symptoms of this thing and is high risk. He tested negative for the flu (samples taken while he was in his car in the parking garage), but they won't test him for Covid-19 because he hasn't traveled abroad, which is mind-boggling. The earlier you know you have it, the better chance at treatments. He's currently holed up at home trying to ride it out.
I'll text you this info as well.
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Licensed medical practitioners from anywhere in the US can order #SARSCoV2 #CoronavirusUSA testing from
@UWVirology
. We continue to add capacity and can test hundreds more people daily. Test and ordering info here: LINK
LINK
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:22 am to Tiguar
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R0 for seasonal flu is 1.3
R0 for COVID 19 is 2-3
This...that is quite a difference. And the COVID19 could actually be higher, we won't know until testing is widely done in the US.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:23 am to TheCaterpillar
I personally believe it's just higher because of vaccination practices with influenza, but it still suggests it will spread faster regardless of external circumstances influencing the numbers
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:25 am to Tiguar
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I personally believe it's just higher because of vaccination practices with influenza, but it still suggests it will spread faster regardless of external circumstances influencing the numbers
The period of being asymptomatic while still infectious appears to be longer as well, which is kind of scary.
Lots of folks spreading this for days, even over a week, without ever knowing they're sick.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:27 am to UpToPar
That lead dr working with Pence was just quoted on Fox this morning saying this.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:28 am to Burhead
So the EU has essentially excepted that they will see a situation similar to Italy and are focusing on preparing for the overload of health care systems?
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:29 am to UpToPar
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14.8% mortality rate for people over the age of 80 and an 8% mortality rate for people ages 70-79.
That's pretty damn high.
Has to be really scary right now if you're in that age bracket.
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:29 am to Burhead
Probably bc they know if they listed the danger as “low” to most the non-elderly then a lot of that group wouldn’t take this seriously
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:30 am to tgr4ever
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Scott Gottlieb, MD
@ScottGottliebMD
THREAD: In U.S. we face two alternative but hard outlooks with #COVID19: that we follow a path similar to South Korea or one closer to Italy. We probably lost chance to have an outcome like South Korea. We must do everything to avert the tragic suffering being borne by Italy
LINK
Posted on 3/12/20 at 10:30 am to tigerfan88
Hand washing update:
I just washed them.
I just washed them.
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