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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:46 am to
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:46 am to
have you read testimonials of people who survived it? it sounds like a bad flu that you just rest, stay hydrated, and eat simple foods like chicken noodle soup as it runs its course

honestly food poisoning sounds worse than the coronavirus
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24917 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 9:52 am to
Did not know that. Don't hear much of SARS anymore.
Posted by CivilTiger83
Member since Dec 2017
2525 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:10 am to
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have you read testimonials of people who survived it? it sounds like a bad flu that you just rest, stay hydrated, and eat simple foods like chicken noodle soup as it runs its course


Outside of the lung and other organ failure and higher rate of mortality, it sounds just like the flu.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:14 am to
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have you read testimonials of people who survived it? it sounds like a bad flu that you just rest, stay hydrated, and eat simple foods like chicken noodle soup as it runs its course

honestly food poisoning sounds worse than the coronavirus

There's no room for that here, some are still doomcasting.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21552 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:22 am to
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Hong Kong and Singapore now reporting 111 confirmed cases, 1 death, 16 recovered, 14 critical. These are the numbers to watch over the next two weeks.


Above is from 5 days ago.

HK and Singapore are now reporting 143 confirmed, 1 death, 31 recovered, 11 critical. Not really seeing anything too crazy in these numbers.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85158 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 10:22 am to
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it sounds like a bad flu that you just rest, stay hydrated, and eat simple foods like chicken noodle soup as it runs its course

honestly food poisoning sounds worse than the coronavirus


Don’t think it’s quite that simplistic... but yes, in developed countries, it seems to be easily beatable, barring underlying qualifiers that drive the deaths due to the flu e.g. age
Posted by PeteRose
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:09 am to
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There's no room for that here, some are still doomcasting.


Generally it's better to overreact to a crisis than sweep it under a rug.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 11:24 am to
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but yes, in developed countries, it seems to be easily beatable, barring underlying qualifiers that drive the deaths due to the flu e.g. age


We saw the medical director of the hospital in Wuhan and a 35 year old doctor die. Don’t you think they received timely diagnosis and treatment?

A lot of people in the US died from the swine flu. I’m not sure why you all think we have some special advantage
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 11:26 am
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11825 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:03 pm to
Wasn't one of those the "whistle blower"? I don't think he received top notch treatment. Communist do not like when people get out of line.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29105 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:11 pm to
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Generally it's better to overreact to a crisis than sweep it under a rug.
Better still, react appropriately.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85158 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 12:41 pm to
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We saw the medical director of the hospital in Wuhan and a 35 year old doctor die. Don’t you think they received timely diagnosis and treatment?


It bothers you so much that this thing hasn’t killed a single, middle aged or younger, healthy person outside of China, doesn’t it?

You keep trying to modify what I say into your narrative.... maybe there is something yet to be figured out as to why middle aged and relatively healthy people in China are succumbing. Maybe there is something in the environment or whatnot that is making the virus more deadly there... but doesn’t change the fact that it isn’t the case outside of China at this point. Who knows..

No matter how much you pose the question of “what about this” is going to change the situation at this point.

Still in a wait and see mode at this point.



Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11958 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:15 pm to
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The total number of cases associated with the Yokohama Bay cruise ship is a lot.

But the article above calls for Japan to have evacuated everybody on board from the "corona breeding ground". It doesn't begin to consider how to evacuate 4000+ people into secure, sanitary quarantine facilities. Which don't exist in that number pretty much anywhere. Perhaps Russia has a no longer used Gulag, we have Brushy Mountain Prison no longer in use, perhaps Alcatraz, but ready for occupancy, with available working hospital, already medically staffed facilities, just sitting there waiting for maybe sick people....ain't gonn'a happen.

It makes the US approach make so much sense because we used what we had.

Meanwhile the Brits, they are not happy.

Wonder how the Americans who chose not to evacuate are going to handle this?
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21552 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:24 pm to
From BNO (this is for the don't pay attention to the numbers but pay attention to the actions crowd)

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BREAKING: Russia bans Chinese citizens from entering the country due to coronavirus - Interfax
Posted by lsu13lsu
Member since Jan 2008
11825 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:27 pm to
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But the article above calls for Japan to have evacuated everybody on board from the "corona breeding ground". It doesn't begin to consider how to evacuate 4000+ people into secure, sanitary quarantine facilities. W


Yeah, if re-infection is a thing then they will never be able to leave that ship.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85158 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:37 pm to
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Wonder how the Americans who chose not to evacuate are going to handle this?


The guy that has been speaking on the news is a fricking moron. Chose not to evacuate bc he didn’t want the possibility of being exposed and didn’t want to restart the 14 day quarantine.

Does he think that once his 14 days is up on the ship he’s just going to be allowed to walk right into the country? He’s going to be quarantined in CA or TX, the same as if he left two days ago. He’s just delaying the inevitable.

I’m sure it was a ploy on his part to make the news and reap some financial benefit.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
Member since Jul 2013
44980 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:39 pm to
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"corona breeding ground".


That used to be the name of the Holiday Inn pool in Panama City Beach during spring break.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:42 pm to
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It bothers you so much that this thing hasn’t killed a single, middle aged or younger, healthy person outside of China, doesn’t it?


That’s a strange interpretation

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maybe there is something yet to be figured out as to why middle aged and relatively healthy people in China are succumbing. Maybe there is something in the environment or whatnot that is making the virus more deadly there


It’s been mainly older individuals dying in China

I just have a problem with your wait and see approach of “let’s wait until people start dying here”. I don’t want to wait until it’s too late or the system is over run.

If it spreads the way it did in Wuhan it will kill the same number of people here. Book it. Whatever factors are at play in Wuhan are at play in the rest of mainland China/Hong Kong
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85158 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:48 pm to
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I just have a problem with your wait and see approach of “let’s wait until people start dying here”. I don’t want to wait until it’s too late or the system is over run.


Noted and I apologize for coming across like that. I’m just tired of being accused of not caring at all, when Of course I do, hell, I’ve got dozens of friends in Asia and China dealing with it. I just don’t want to cry wolf until we see something indicating it’s a real threat outside of China.

Question, what else would you like the US to do? They have banned all travel in and out of China and are quarantining based off of rescuing large groups?

From my perspective, we’ve done a good job. The wild card is something like Hawaii, where the Japanese guy had it. Are any americans there infected and coming to mainland to spread it.

I’m no med expert but there has to be an underlying reason this is hitting China harder than anywhere else.

No reason two doctors should be dying from this thing with the access to care and diagnosis they have. Something has to be impacting things. Now as far as spread, of course it’s going to go wild in a city of 11m with substandard cleanliness and living.
This post was edited on 2/18/20 at 1:58 pm
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 1:59 pm to
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Question, what else would you like the US to do? They have banned all travel in and out of China and are quarantining based off of rescuing large groups?


I would have liked them to do it earlier but there is no point discussing that now. I think the CDC needs to get in there and find out what’s really going on.

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I’m no med expert but there has to be an underlying reason this is hitting China harder than anywhere else.


No. You WANT there to be a reason this is hitting Wuhan harder. Everyone is hoping for this ACE2 issue, but the research I posted a few pages ago contradicts that theory.

Air pollution? Wuhan isn’t that much worse than Los Angeles. And the rest of China has bad air pollution but it’s not getting hit as hard.

The most logical conclusion is that it hasn’t become as ubiquitous as Wuhan in other cities. Hopefully we keep it that way.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85158 posts
Posted on 2/18/20 at 2:04 pm to
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No. You WANT there to be a reason this is hitting Wuhan harder.


Who the frick wouldn’t? You should want there to be, that way the same thing doesn’t occur throughout the rest of the world.

The fact of the matter is at this point the rest of the world is a complete contradiction to China.
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