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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 2/8/20 at 8:31 am to
Posted by Kentucker
Rabbit Hash, KY
Member since Apr 2013
20055 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 8:31 am to
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To be fair, the flu had a few months head start and is an equal opportunity infector.


Also, “the flu” is many strains of influenza circulating around the world. If we include all the strains of corona viruses that are present in the human population, then the match-up is more even.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85163 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 8:53 am to
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You are moving the goalposts


Jesus fricking Christ I didn’t move the goal posts

The shitty environment and living standards leads to a lot of things, including shitty hospitals and care, which leads to more people dying.

You’re the one that can’t simply accept when I say “shitty living conditions and quality of life’” it’s all encompassing.
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11960 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:03 am to
Yes,the American died in Wuhan. This from the NYT
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Few details about the American, who died on Thursday, were immediately available. The person was around 60 years old and died at Jinyintan Hospital in Wuhan, according to the United States Embassy in Beijing. Two people familiar with the matter said the person was a woman and had underlying health conditions.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:11 am to
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Jesus fricking Christ I didn’t move the goal posts The shitty environment and living standards leads to a lot of things, including shitty hospitals and care, which leads to more people dying. You’re the one that can’t simply accept when I say “shitty living conditions and quality of life’” it’s all encompassing.


Calm. Down.

I agreed with you that shitty hospitals could increase the mortality rate.

I just disagree with you that “shitty diet” contributed to the mortality. If anything a shitty American diet would make mortality higher here. Diabetes and obesity dramatically increase your chances of dying.

We were specifically talking about the case of the American dying in Wuhan then you shifted to saying “well a shitty diet caused this virus”
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 9:12 am
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85163 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:15 am to
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We were specifically talking about the case of the American dying in Wuhan then you shifted to saying “well a shitty diet caused this virus”


I was bucketing all of those things into shitty living standards over there...

Sorry for not being clear
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91838 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:22 am to
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This shite was created by the government and released on purpose to reduce Chinas ever increasing poor elderly population. Which due to the 1-2 Child policy China had for so long are mostly male.


This ties into the forced relocation of the poor older population to city housing aka ghettos that has been going on in recent years.


Posted by Poker_hog
Member since Mar 2019
3658 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:44 am to
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I just disagree with you that “shitty diet” contributed to the mortality.


I think y’all are arguing past each other. One of you means shitty diet as in McDonald’s and kfc. The other means shitty dies as eating bats and road kill.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21558 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 9:56 am to
quote:

Key Diagnostic Test Might Be Missing Many Coronavirus Cases


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But there is growing concern that those NATs are producing large numbers of false negatives. In a Wednesday interview with state broadcaster CCTV, Wang Chen, an expert in critical diseases and director of the Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences, said one characteristic of the virus was that “not all of those infected by it return positive NATs.”

“Even patients who definitely have the disease only come back positive 30% to 50% of the time,” Wang said. “Testing throat swabs (from potentially infected people) also returns a lot of false negatives.”




LINK
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11960 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:03 am to
LINK

That cruise ship off Japan has 61 infected people, multiple nationalities. That's an additional 20 to the 41 reported most recently.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85163 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:07 am to
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That cruise ship off Japan has 61 infected people, multiple nationalities. That's an additional 20 to the 41 reported most recently.


How are they going to deal with that? Any plan to begin taking people off, bc the news this morning said the 14 day quarantine of passengers resets every time a new case pops up
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:09 am to
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I think y’all are arguing past each other. One of you means shitty diet as in McDonald’s and kfc. The other means shitty dies as eating bats and road kill.


I understand and agree with his general premise

My point was that an unusual diet may have caused the first case, but after the virus has started our “shitty diet” may actually be a disadvantage. If you are 400 lbs and riddled with diabetes and hypertension you probably aren’t gunna make it.

However, I think that’s a very minor factor compared to their inferiority in medical care and availability which could be considered “living conditions”

So overall, his point is valid
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 10:57 am to
Hell yes we want the dumpling recipe!

I want to add “Wuhan Dumplings” to the Food and Drink Board recipe book

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I'll see what I can do. TBH I dont believe they're homemade from scratch or anything. Sorry to pull back the curtain




Posted by Dixierebel
Alexandria, La
Member since Dec 2016
534 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:13 am to
What happens to the patients when all the medical staff has contracted the CV and dies..... That loss will be felt long after this virus has been contained. Such dedication on the healthcare staff, I don't know if I could be that dedicated. Shortly after Katrina the situation was horrible but nothing like this. I wonder if China is forcing these people to continue to be at the hospital even though they know they are killing off the very people that they need to contain this virus. God Bless them....
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13143 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 11:53 am to
In that graph Hubei plus Wuhan = 38,556 total confirmed cases.

China = 34,598 confirmed cases.

????

Posted by slacker00
Member since Mar 2011
593 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 12:12 pm to
Hubei contains the Wuhan numbers. It is equivalent to the state that Wuhan (city) is part of.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13143 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 1:28 pm to
OK, thanks, did not know that.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21558 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 2:07 pm to
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Hubei contains the Wuhan numbers. It is equivalent to the state that Wuhan (city) is part of.


Yes, that is how I read it. I was a bit surprised by the number of confirmed cases in China outside of Hubei.
Posted by Poker_hog
Member since Mar 2019
3658 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 2:30 pm to
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Even patients who definitely have the disease only come back positive 30% to 50% of the time,” Wang said. “Testing throat swabs (from potentially infected people) also returns a lot of false negatives.


False negative rate of 70%. That’s reassuring...
Posted by DollaChoppa
I Simp for ACC
Member since May 2008
84774 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 2:35 pm to
It’s really interesting to read the individual reports for the Japanese cases. A lot of them read like that where they test for it, it comes back negative. The patient is still sick and they test again days late (sometimes the same sample) and it’s positive
Posted by GeauxTigers2020
Member since Sep 2013
28667 posts
Posted on 2/8/20 at 4:19 pm to
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BREAKING: Epicenter of coronavirus outbreak reports 2,147 new cases and 81 new deaths


Passed SARS death count
This post was edited on 2/8/20 at 4:19 pm
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