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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:47 pm to Shaun176
Posted on 6/13/20 at 12:47 pm to Shaun176
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The idea that a lockdown works come from China and everyone knows they lied. Cases go down as herd immunity develops.
You very well could be right. I was just saying that if Texas turns into a New York/New Orleans situation it would be strong evidence that the lockdowns did work. I still think it was a bad idea because it cost trillions of dollars to just delay what was inevitable.
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Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:08 pm to Shaun176
quote:Think it being winter there is having a big effect?
Santiago, Chile has been on a total lockdown since the middle of May with a 85% decrease in movement. Before that they had been on an equal to US shutdown since March 13. Santiago with 7 million people has had more confirmed cases than any city in the world everyday for the last 2 weeks.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 1:22 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Texas
Texas is a state that includes antibody test results in their numbers. As is Arizona, I believe.
Surgeries and whatnot have opened back up. Patients get tested before they have surgery, which might come up positive. Does this then count as a CoviD hospitalization?
Are they releasing a bunch of prison data? Meatpacking plant hotspot data? Finally getting around to testing nursing homes en masse?
This guy on twitter (I guess maybe it should be taken with a grain of salt then) is saying Virginia had a bunch of non-electronic test results from some labs and only entered the positive tests for their count. Tens of thousands of negative tests were slow to get entered and/or never discussed.
Posted on 6/13/20 at 3:40 pm to escatawpabuckeye
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both texas and florida are seeing higher numbers than ever and Arizona is seeing higher numbers and escalating positivity with tests performed.
How much of this is due to them beginning to count positive antibody Tests as a new case? I know Texas is doing that
Posted on 6/13/20 at 4:17 pm to WaWaWeeWa
The problem in retrospect is that some states likely should have gone to just bans on large gatherings instead of locking down completely. The complete lockdowns, when necessary, in a lot of places may prove to have been too early.
However, that's all in retrospect because the disaster of such limited testing capacity early on certainly led people to fear that a NYC scenario could be just about to happen all over the country.
The extremely limited testing at that time meant there was no data to counter that fear.
However, that's all in retrospect because the disaster of such limited testing capacity early on certainly led people to fear that a NYC scenario could be just about to happen all over the country.
The extremely limited testing at that time meant there was no data to counter that fear.
This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 6/13/20 at 11:07 pm to Wishnitwas1998
Florida was reporting antibody tests as covid tests but they were not including positive antibody results as covid cases. Covid cases result from positive covid tests only.
According to The Washington Post via Newser Rebekah Jones does report positive antibody test results as cases but the state doesn't.
According to The Washington Post via Newser Rebekah Jones does report positive antibody test results as cases but the state doesn't.
This post was edited on 6/13/20 at 11:38 pm
Posted on 6/14/20 at 6:39 am to Commander Data
quote:What is going to happen in November of this year? There's your answer.
What is their motivation?
Posted on 6/14/20 at 6:46 am to ExtraGravy
You don't understand that it isn't an issue of denying that there are cases like that out there. It's not an all or nothing argument. Of course there's gonna be a case here and there of somebody young dying from it. Hell, there's outliers like that in just about anything else not Covid related. The argument is that those cases are the exception and not the rule.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 6:56 am to Whiznot
quote:If you're holding your breath for this magic potion to be created that will end it, don't. That's not going to happen. And even if they come up with something against Covid 19, what about the new strains that will develop (like the flu)?
Barring an effective vaccine, the pandemic isn't close to being over.
At some point, the world is going to have to say "frick it" and go back to life as normal. The same way our bodies combat every other infectious disease out there.
quote:bullshite. The news is in full on selling a story mode right now. It's all about fear, death figures, new strains coming out, etc. I wish it was as you suggested it is. Maybe the Dow Jones wouldn't take a hit as it was on its way back to rebound and just this week the news started up with their shite again. And sure enough, back to terrible numbers on the DJI.
All the news shows that I've watched reported that many infected people never develop symptoms.
quote:This, I actually agree with.
COVID-19 is deadly for some people of all ages but not for the vast majority.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 8:01 am to RealityTiger
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COVID-19 is deadly for some people of all ages but not for the vast majority.
This, I actually agree with.
So is the seasonal flu, strep, salmonella, riding in a car, life.
The idea is that a vaccine will provide enough of a mitigating effect that the burden of covid is reduced to the level of other common diseases.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 8:57 am to Shaun176
There's no guarantee that there will be a vaccine though. That's why you shouldn't rest your laurels on the solution being "let's just all wear masks and stay socially distant and reduce interaction until the vaccine comes". Who says there will be a vaccine?
That's what's so frustrating with a lot of us is that we are already there. But the people with severe anxiety and phobia behind catching something refuse to see it. And those same people with illness anxiety disorder also happen to be the same ones calling the shots for the rest of us.
quote:It already is. It's just that some people like to dwell on the worst cases that make up a small fraction of a percent, rather than the overall majority who have caught it (just like seasonal flu, strep, salmonella, riding in a car, life) and were able to combat it without medical assistance.
the burden of covid is reduced to the level of other common diseases.
That's what's so frustrating with a lot of us is that we are already there. But the people with severe anxiety and phobia behind catching something refuse to see it. And those same people with illness anxiety disorder also happen to be the same ones calling the shots for the rest of us.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 9:30 am to RealityTiger
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the burden of covid is reduced to the level of other common diseases.
It already is.
The burden of covid has been higher than other respiratory infections in high density areas until 20-30% of the population have been infected regardless of the level of shutdown. Compare cases and hospital burden in NYC, Milan, Stockholm, and Santiago. It also seems like it takes about 6 weeks regardless of the level of shutdown in densely populated areas.
Shutdown are more effective in areas where people don't live in large apartment buildings, but we can stay in forever. Because of the hysteria that has been created, I hope a vaccine gives politicians and businesses the confidence to return to normality. A vaccine also will help eliminate buisness liability for infections.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 10:42 am to Shaun176
quote:*had been
The burden of covid has been higher
When this thing first surfaced, the concept of flattening the curve made sense. We accomplished that, and then the powers that be went full retard on it.
The whole reason for quarantine and shutting stuff down was to not overwhelm the healthcare system. We are well past that now. There's no reason for anything to be shut down right now. The initial wave was what was so concerning, not the residual cases here and there of people who happen to test positive.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 10:49 am to RealityTiger
There will be no vaccine.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 12:38 pm to kojak
Wrong
Posted on 6/14/20 at 3:34 pm to kojak
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There will be no vaccine
There are currently 4 vaccines that have been safe and effective in healthy people. We will know if several of those 4 are safe and effective in large scale testing by the end of July. There are another couple dozen vaccines entering small scale testing this month.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 3:59 pm to Shaun176
No vaccine has ever been proven safe and effective. Not a single one has had complete safety studies and the manufacturers are exempt from being held responsible.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 4:42 pm to Landmass
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No vaccine has ever been proven safe and effective. Not a single one has had complete safety studies and the manufacturers are exempt from being held responsible.
“Complete safety studies”
What the frick does that even mean?
Posted on 6/14/20 at 5:02 pm to Landmass
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No vaccine has ever been proven safe and effective.
Posted on 6/14/20 at 6:38 pm to Shaun176
We have a winner. Isreal in talks to buy Moderna Vaccine.
The US Gov already has 6 million doses of this vaccine and expects 35 million doses to be stored in warehouses in Memphis for quick distribution to hot spots by the end of August.
The US Gov already has 6 million doses of this vaccine and expects 35 million doses to be stored in warehouses in Memphis for quick distribution to hot spots by the end of August.
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