re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

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Yeah a lockdown was only a bandaid to figure out protocol and let the hospitals prepare. That has happened and we should be opening up smartly. No need to go into lockdown but as GOP Tiger said, masks work and should be utilized, especially indoors. To think that wearing a mask is a fluke political statement is ignorant. This is a respiratory illness spread by respiratory droplets.

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Please elaborate upon the necessity of someone without a cough needing to wear a mask... Unless you can’t breathe through your nose, there is no reason to wear a mask in the grocery store. Especially since it has been determined the virus does not live on objects long. The small microscopic amount of particles coming out of your nose is not going to infect people. It is absurd to require healthy people to wear a mask

ETA: Half the mother frickers leave their nose exposed anyway

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Santiago, Chile has been on a total lockdown since the middle of May with a 85% decrease in movement. Before that they had been on an equal to US shutdown since March 13. Santiago with 7 million people has had more confirmed cases than any city in the world everyday for the last 2 weeks.

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Think it being winter there is having a big effect?

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So you acknowledge that lockdowns have little effect even during assumed peak transmission conditions?

I mean I don’t talk to anyone when I shop. I grab what I need and go. Again. Unless you put your face up to a box of cereal and intentionally breath on it, the likely hood of a droplet landing on it and potentially infecting someone else is astronomically low

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This video actually explains it pretty well. It shows how the virus spreads indoors vs outdoors. It’s not about breathing on someone or something, it’s about the respiratory droplets circulating through the buildings ventilation.

I was at a grocery store in Austin, Texas this weekend and this soy boy walked up to my friends and I and yelled at us for not wearing masks. I politely told him to frick off. I’d say 90% of people in the store in Austin had masks on. While in Baton Rouge it’s maybe around 10-20% tops. It’s become very political and in no means about public safety. It stopped becoming a public safety issue to me when public health leaders said it’s okay to protest. Now i don’t care if people get sick from muh no masks

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There is no proof that the virus is circulating in the air. And if it is, its not for long, otherwise, you’d have people in close proximity outdoors, like the ozark beach parties, getting sick left and right.

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Did you watch the video? I’m not arguing about outdoors and in fact I said that it’s indoors that’s most vulnerable. The video shows the same thing. Very few people contract this thing outdoors. It’s indoors, when the lighter respiratory droplets don’t have as much circulation and stay more static that the issue occurs. The reporter talked to epidemiologist to gather this information and cites a study from Wuhan as to why certain people in a restaurant contracted the disease and others didn’t. I think that counts as pretty good proof. It’s only 6min and it’s not a fear monger omg video. It’s actually well done and informative and encourages people not to stay shut in but rather to go out and try to reduce risks as much as possible.

So masks can’t stop the virus but you don’t believe it can spread airborne through ventilation? What’s going to stop it? That thin blue fiber filter in your A/C?


Your schtick is old. All you do is contradict everything. You say you don’t care at all about this virus but you keep coming back to this thread when it’s barely active.

Do us all a favor and go away.
Nothing you say is productive.

John Ioannidis et al. discussing the failure of CoviD-19 forecasting.

Couple of tables discussing media/State's initial statements regarding modeling compared to what actually occurred.

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A doomsday forecast may come handy to protect civilization, when and if calamity hits. However, even then, we have little evidence that aggressive measures which focus only on few dimensions of impact actually reduce death toll and do more good than harm. We need models which incorporate multicriteria objective functions. Isolating infectious impact, from all other health, economy and social impacts is dangerously narrow-minded. More importantly, with epidemics becoming easier to detect, opportunities for declaring global emergencies will escalate. Erroneous models can become powerful, recurrent disruptors of life on this planet. Civilization is threatened from epidemic incidentalomas.

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The four garden variety coronaviruses may be causing such outbreaks every year [15,16]. One of them, OC43 seems to have been introduced in humans as recently as 1890, probably causing a “bad influenza year” with over a million deaths [17]. Based on what we know now, SARS-CoV-2 may be closer to OC43 than SARS-CoV-1. This does not mean it is not serious: its initial human introduction can be highly lethal, unless we protect those at risk.

Blindly acting based on extreme value theory alone would be sensible if we lived in the times of the Antonine plague or even in 1890, with no science to identify the pathogen, elucidate its true prevalence, estimate accurately its lethality, and carry out good epidemiology to identify which people and settings are at risk. Until we accrue this information, immediate better-safe-than-sorry responses are legitimate, trusting extreme forecasts as possible (not necessarily likely) scenarios. However, caveats of these forecasts should not be ignored [1,18] and new evidence on the ground truth needs continuous reassessment. Upon acquiring solid evidence about the epidemiological features of new outbreaks, implausible, exaggerated forecasts [19] should be abandoned. Otherwise, they may cause more harm than the virus itself.

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I contradict bull shite, which is what requiring healthy people to wear masks is.

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Your BS contradiction does not take into account asymptomatic people who are not even aware they are infected. As a result your assumption that someone is "healthy" because they are not presenting any symptoms is flawed.

USS Roosevelt ~5000 mostly young, healthy crew. Over 400 infected, 1 death.