re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

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Is this the same WHO that said there was no evidence of human to human contagion? I'll take my guidance on this issue from someone else if that is ok.

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"No evidence" does not mean can't or won't happen. It simply means there was no evidence at the time the statement was made, which was Jan 14. There are plenty of things to criticize WHO for, but this one is off the mark.

Similarly, the statement that there is no evidence of immunity means exactly that... no evidence one way or the other. Would you prefer if they didn't make a statement of no evidence? I find it extremely helpful to know that there is no evidence to support a widely help assumption.

The 55K dead number is highly inflated with deaths from other diseases. Pro Coronas were so desperate to amp the numbers they've rolled every death including the flu into a corona death. My guess is the real number of corona deaths is somewhere around 20K, if that. And those deaths are mostly elderly and immigrants from China and Europe.

The dumbest group of people on the planet. Let them inject the disinfectant.

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Trump is in power and in charge so he is the subject. It's not necessarily about being on anyone's team. Trump is a total moron who thinks Californians won't have bad wildfires if they rake forest floors. Trump thinks Americans must show ID to buy a loaf of bread. Trump thinks the British had airfields during the revolutionary war.

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He might think all of that but, he can definitely help a country get their economy together. If it wasn't for this trumpvirus, we wouldn't need the Chinese very soon. Or the Saudi's for that matter!!!

Has it been mentioned in this thread yet the increase in strokes they are seeing in young patients (under 50) with coronavirus who otherwise are having mild symptoms?

What aggravating complications do they have? Obesity? Hypertension. Has it been studied? It could be entirely unrelated as well and just a coincidence. Not terribly scientific post coming from a medical professional.

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Would you prefer if they didn't make a statement of no evidence?

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Yes, because it spreads fear. Which is what they wanted. It would be very unusual for there to be no immunity at all. Wuhan would still be a warzone right now.

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What aggravating complications do they have? Obesity? Hypertension. Has it been studied? It could be entirely unrelated as well and just a coincidence. Not terribly scientific post coming from a medical professional.

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I only asked if the topic has been brought up recently. I don't follow this thread everyday.


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Experts have reported kidney issues, heart problems, and, more recently, blood clots appearing in various parts of patients' bodies. Such clots typically appear in the most severe cases; however, new research from a group of doctors in New York City suggests that even patients with mild COVID-19 cases may experience blood-clot-related complications.

According to Thomas Oxley, a neurosurgeon at Mount Sinai Hospital, some younger COVID-19 patients with mild or no symptoms have experienced large-vessel strokes. Such strokes are typically caused by blood clots that travel from other parts of the body into the brain. Oxley and his colleagues submitted their findings to the New England Journal of Medicine for publication next week.

"Our report shows a sevenfold increase in incidence of sudden stroke in young patients during the past two weeks. Most of these patients have no past medical history and were at home with either mild symptoms (or in two cases, no symptoms) of COVID-19,"

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Oxley told the Australian Broadcasting Co. that strokes have been observed in older COVID-19 patients, but this new trend was concerning because it involved younger patients in their 30s and 40s with mild symptoms.

All five people Oxley described were under 50; one of them died, three are in rehabilitation facilities, and the fifth person will require intensive in-home care, he said.

"For comparison, our service, over the previous 12 months, has treated on average 0.73 patients every 2 weeks under the age of 50 years with large vessel stroke," Oxley and his coauthors wrote in their coming report, according to CNN. That's no more than two people per month.

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I mean, there are over 50,000 people just in the state of New York who are in the hospital right now who are suffering from COVID-19.

I understand the desire to wish this virus away, but reality is reality.

And I'll ignore the implication that the lives of the elderly and immigrants are worth less than others. (Where's your evidence that immigrants are over-represented in COVID-19 deaths?)

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Nope. Even if you want to assume that’s the case, if you look at the overall pot something doesn’t add up to your math.

They didn’t inflate COVID-19 deaths by taking away from flu, because the overall rate of deaths from influenza like illnesses surged to around 5x more over the baseline rate compared to the worst flu season in 40+ years.



Also, for those that want to insist it was being commonly spread causing illness here in December/January, note the complete lack of surge of associated deaths in that time frame. It stayed in the normal trend until March.

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Excess mortality data would be hard to manipulate, since it is just looking at the number of deaths compared to historical data. Essentially, every country that has high quality mortality data is showing a big spike in excess mortality that lines up with the pandemic timeline. Not only do the spikes in excess mortality line of up with the pandemic but they indicate that COVID19 deaths are probably being under reported in many areas.

The serosurvey data that is currently being collected has a lot of issues but is still useful. One quick note on these antibody test, a pre-print article published this week looked at 14 different test that are currently being used and basically all of them had major issues. This is partly b/c the requirement for these test to get FDA clearance before use was waived to speed up the process of getting them to market. So in many instances, the people using these test don't actually know what the test data really means. We've seen a couple of papers based on serosurvey data already pulled back and others are getting hammered in pre-print review. It will be interesting to see what the first wave of peer reviewed articles ends up looking like.

Using the various antibody studies that have been produced for the US and we can probably assume that b/w 1 - 3% of the population has been infected with an IFR around 1%.

US nCFR is currently 5.6%

IFR for 1% of population infected would be 1.7%

IFR for 3% of population infected would be 0.6%

This is using reported deaths from today but that number is probably lower than reality.