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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:39 am to
Posted by Jon Ham
Member since Jun 2011
29726 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:39 am to
What do y’all think about the idea that we should just try to get close to covid19 herd immunity now since we are out of flu season, so next Fall/winter won’t be so bad with Covid+flu?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77873 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:43 am to
quote:

What do y’all think about the idea that we should just try to get close to covid19 herd immunity now since we are out of flu season, so next Fall/winter won’t be so bad with Covid+flu?
Best option.

If we don’t do this now, when we have less to worry about, it will bite us in the arse later.

But that course of action requires people to come out from under their rocks and actually interact with others, which doesn’t seem likely considering their response to only one virus floating around.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40251 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 9:51 am to
Here's the question I asked last night: If they are afraid of asymptomatic people who are positive not passing things on, how the hell will "they" ever "let" anyone "out" again? I mean you can't test everyone every day.

In my mind it's a circle: stay home because you might be asymptomatic and pass it on. But staying home any longer is just an insane idea.

Life has risks. It is what it is.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21139 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 10:10 am to
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What do y’all think about the idea that we should just try to get close to covid19 herd immunity now since we are out of flu season, so next Fall/winter won’t be so bad with Covid+flu?


I've posted recently about how we have a lot of immunity already. The people who contracted COVID-19 this time are obviously those who would still be most vulnerable in a 2nd wave. They are in places such as NYC, a transport hub and a densely packed city where everyone uses public transport. They are those whose jobs require close interaction with the public or each other (like the workers at the meat plants).

Next fall, we'll have massive testing (Congress just passed a bill authorizing $25 billion in testing). We'll use a massive push in flu vaccines to remove the "noise" that the flu caused this time, meaning that we'll actually need to test fewer symptomatic people. We'll likely have solid treatment options in place, so that mortality will be a lot lower.

I'm not worried about a 2nd wave.
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
64537 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 12:50 pm to
I’m confused, how do they get immunity if not by catching the virus? I’m just confused bc you say that those who have had it will be most vulnerable in a second wave but wouldn’t they be the ones most likely to be immune?
Posted by fbb
Member since May 2007
2569 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 12:57 pm to
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I’m confused, how do they get immunity if not by catching the virus? I’m just confused bc you say that those who have had it will be most vulnerable in a second wave but wouldn’t they be the ones most likely to be immune?


He's not worried about a second wave because our most vulnerable population is dealing with it now.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21139 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 12:58 pm to
What I meant (apologies for my lack of clarity) is that a lot of the people who have contracted COVID-19 and now have antibodies are obviously frontline people who, if they didn't have antibodies, would be most at-risk in a 2nd wave.

The danger with COVID-19 is the speed of the spread. If a lot of those who would normally be most at-risk have immunity, it really slows the spread and gives testing time to find those with the virus and isolate them.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
14208 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 1:09 pm to
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What do y’all think about the idea that we should just try to get close to covid19 herd immunity now since we are out of flu season, so next Fall/winter won’t be so bad with Covid+flu?



I am beginning to think this is the only viable option. There was an opinion piece in this morning's WSJ to this effect. Essentially saying that we and almost every other country have made the wrong choice.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77873 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 1:22 pm to
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Essentially saying that we and almost every other country have made the wrong choice.


Amazing how this is now becoming the more popular position.
This post was edited on 4/24/20 at 1:42 pm
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 1:46 pm to
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Amazing how this is now becoming the more popular position


Don't hold your breath waiting for any shutdown politicians to admit that.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77873 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 2:04 pm to
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There was an opinion piece in this morning's WSJ to this effect. Essentially saying that we and almost every other country have made the wrong choice.
Can you link it?
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
14208 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 2:12 pm to
Saw it in the hard copy. Haven't checked online to see if it is behind a pay wall. Joseph Sternberg is the author. This morning's edition. I'm not skilled enough to link it here. Maybe someone can do that for me.
Posted by Stevo
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
12564 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 2:35 pm to
LINK

Link to article discussing herd immunity is above.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
21139 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 2:48 pm to
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Amazing how this is now becoming the more popular position.



It's not.

LINK
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
64537 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:43 pm to
quote:

What I meant (apologies for my lack of clarity) is that a lot of the people who have contracted COVID-19 and now have antibodies are obviously frontline people who, if they didn't have antibodies, would be most at-risk in a 2nd wave.


Gotcha, that makes sense
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6795 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 3:58 pm to
Another WSJ piece about Dr. Ioannidis dropped today and is a good read > The Bearer of Good Coronavirus News - Stanford scientist John Ioannidis finds himself under attack for questioning the prevailing wisdom about lockdowns

A relevant quote from Ioannidis:
quote:

Yet most criticism of the Stanford study has been aimed at defending the lockdown mandates against the implication that they’re an overreaction. “There’s some sort of mob mentality here operating that they just insist that this has to be the end of the world, and it has to be that the sky is falling. It’s attacking studies with data based on speculation and science fiction,” he says. “But dismissing real data in favor of mathematical speculation is mind-boggling.”


Here's a good video from a couple days ago. He goes into detail about a lot of things, about midway through he details why a vaccine may very well be a pipe dream. If you got an hour to burn it is worth the watch: LINK
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85712 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 4:13 pm to
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Amazing how this is now becoming the more popular position.



But those that said this from the start just wanted people to die
Posted by Ronaldo Burgundiaz
NWA
Member since Jan 2012
6795 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 5:05 pm to
I do have to wonder if the usual suspects here on the OT are going to throw in the towel, or continue to take a beating.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85712 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 6:54 pm to
More antibody testing coming in...

quote:

About 6 percent of Miami-Dade’s population — about 165,000 residents — have antibodies indicating a past infection by the novel coronavirus, dwarfing the state health department’s tally of about 10,600 cases, according to preliminary study results announced by University of Miami researchers Friday.

The study, spurred by Miami-Dade County officials, will be an ongoing weekly survey based on antibody testing — randomly selecting county residents to volunteer pinpricks of their blood to be screened for signs of a past COVID-19 infection, whether they had tested positive for the virus in the past or not. The goal is to measure the extent of infection in the community.


LINK
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
56669 posts
Posted on 4/24/20 at 7:57 pm to
Has anyone else here or a doctor considered injecting disinfectant along with sunlight? Seems if everyone did this, we’d have much fewer cases and bodies in early decomposition.
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