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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***

Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:19 pm to
Posted by wdhalgren
Member since May 2013
5643 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:19 pm to
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Again, no one who matters cares about this. The guy most of this board loves has blasted his own fed chairman for NOT printing more and faster.


Trump is no different from any other president of the past 100 years. If you think that Obama wouldn't have been blasting away if the Fed had been raising interest rates for his first few years in office, instead of printing flat out from the get go, you're sadly deluded. He's the only president in modern history who had the luxury of never worrying about interest rates or the "bond market vigilantes". It's a cinch to increase govt power when you don't have to collect from the peasants to pay for it; just inflate away their savings and wages and they never even realize it was a tax.

Fact is, every president in the Fed era has wanted easy money to fund their political power ambitions. Trump is no different on that score. It's the partisans on both sides, getting distracted by this dog and pony show of "politics", who are the real fools here. Well, sad to say while you were listening to the triumphant campaign speeches, we've reached the vertical part of another exponential curve, the money supply curve required to keep this economy of inflationism from imploding. The people who "matter" cared quite a bit, just not about their useful idiots.

As for me, I didn't vote for Trump or anybody else, but he suits me fine because the media hates his guts. The best we can hope for at this point is a president who has no media support to accomplish anything, especially pass another piece of legislation to increase the size and power of our govt. The ones who our version of Pravda love are the real risk to our remaining few freedoms.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 11:37 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41721 posts
Posted on 4/8/20 at 10:29 pm to
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It’s not the governments job to scare people it’s their job to tell the truth.


This will rarely happen in a democractic society.
This post was edited on 4/8/20 at 10:31 pm
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
64564 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 1:15 am to
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quote: So, it becomes necessary to scare people for the time being. It’s not the governments job to scare people it’s their job to tell the truth. Also a majority of people aren’t scared. It’s funny how people react better when the powers at be are transparent and provide all of the information instead of just saying trust u


The government telling the truth is much more effective than just trying to scare people, especially in the long run
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3211 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 7:36 am to
US Military now added to the worldometer.

3160 cases / 8 fatalities ~ 0.25% CFR

Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85718 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:01 am to
Unemployment added 6.6 million more


Let’s keep this lockdown going... great things ahead.
Posted by TT9
Seychelles
Member since Sep 2008
91793 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:11 am to
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Let’s keep this lockdown going... great things ahead.


may have to end it before the may deadline.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77890 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:12 am to
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Unemployment added 6.6 million more


Let’s keep this lockdown going... great things ahead.
Total of 16 million.

Nice.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85718 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:25 am to
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may have to end it before the may deadline.


Trump hinted at relaxing certain recommendations right after Easter yesterday.

Also, he is forming a second task for specifically dedicated to getting us back to work.
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:37 am to
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Total of 16 million.



Why do we assume this is permanent? Once things open back up most of these people will be needed. All of this is temporary. Hell, I’ve seen signs all over the place since this started telling me Publix, Lowe’s and Home Depot, among others, are now hiring. Construction industry is essentially ignoring the shutdown AND the social distancing AND face covering guidelines because Bubbas all over “ain’t got no time for no bullshite virus.” Small businesses taking advantage of federal loans CAN’T fire people.

So who is permanently out of work, exactly?
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40251 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:42 am to
Unemployment added 6.6 million[u] more[/u]

Are you shitting me?? MORE??!!
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77890 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:43 am to
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Why do we assume this is permanent?
No one assumes it is permanent.

I do assume that, if we continue down this road for much longer, it will not rebound like many people seem to believe.
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Once things open back up most of these people will be needed.
You are under the assumption that the businesses that are shutdown, mainly small businesses, have the capital to maintain during the shutdown and will be able to reopen after 8 weeks of no income.

That is if it isn’t extended.
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Hell, I’ve seen signs all over the place since this started telling me Publix, Lowe’s and Home Depot, among others, are now hiring. Construction industry is essentially ignoring the shutdown AND the social distancing AND face covering guidelines because Bubbas all over “ain’t got no time for no bullshite virus.”
Again, it isn’t the big corporate stores that are in trouble.
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So who is permanently out of work, exactly?
No one knows yet.

Currently, 16.6 million are out of work though and that seems to be increasing by 6 million+ each week.

Then, you have the additional factor of a portion not wanting to go back to work due to the higher UE benefits than normal.

There are multiple factors at play that can cause some serious problems.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:52 am
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40251 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:49 am to
Well it looks like the nursing home where I work has one positive case currently and 3 pending lab tests. What is the normal length of duration for plaquinil? I see an order for 5 days only. ??? And no zpack. This resident is a FUll CODE and a frail little thing. ..
Posted by Shaun176
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
3163 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:49 am to
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Insufficient and delayed testing may explain why some European countries, such as Italy and Spain, are experiencing much higher casualty numbers (relative to reported confirmed cases) than Germany, which has detected an estimated 15.6% of infections compared to only 3.5% in Italy or 1.7% in Spain. Detection rates are even lower in the United States (1.6%) and the United Kingdom (1.2%) – two countries that have received widespread criticism from public health experts for their delayed response to the pandemic.


Another study in the lancet, this one from Germany, about the under reporting of cases. You have to divide the CFR by between 7 and 40 depending on the country and region within the country to get the actual mortality rate.

Mortality rate with an overwhelmed medical system is around .5 vs. .1 if the medical system is able to fully treat everyone.

This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 8:53 am
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
77890 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:51 am to
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What is the normal length of duration for plaquinil?
I think it is a week’s worth (7 day course) in this case.

A lot of locations are setting limits on what you can prescribe too.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85718 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:54 am to
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So who is permanently out of work, exactly?


Lots of smaller restaurants won’t reopen, lots of hotels won’t see normal levels for years, and airlines are cutting routes by 90% through rest of the year...

Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:55 am to
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I see an order for 5 days only


we're doing 5 days here
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61773 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:58 am to
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and airlines are cutting routes by 90% through rest of the year...


But you can damn sure bet that they can add a lot of those routes back pretty quickly once demand comes back later this year. It's not like it's set in stone.
Posted by escatawpabuckeye
Member since Jan 2013
1056 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:59 am to
This needs to improve before we can reopen
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
40251 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:59 am to
That makes me feel better .. every now and again I question the NP/Doctor there. What happens if that doesn't help, which I pray it does. Two are thin, one is "normal" weight and one poor darling, she's WAY over. Can't remember other comorbidities off hand.

That said, one was on steroids those were d/c ... another is having fever and abdominal pain/diarrhea but no cough. Curious to see his test results.

Then there is the poor gentleman who has been swabbed from what I can tell 3 times -- they keep "losing" his swab somewhere between the lab picking it up and the lab OR somewhere in the lab. WTH?? I wouldn't be happy to have that done 3 times.
This post was edited on 4/9/20 at 9:01 am
Posted by S1C EM
Athens, GA
Member since Nov 2007
11594 posts
Posted on 4/9/20 at 8:59 am to
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You are under the assumption that the businesses that are shutdown, mainly small businesses, have the capital to maintain during the shutdown and will be able to reopen after 8 weeks of no income.


Many of those are not closed. I guess if you own a dress store? Or a Planet Fitness? But there are so many “essential business” exceptions, it’s almost ridiculous. Some that are closed should be receiving some sort of federal aid, yes? I don’t really know.

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Then, you have the additional factor of a portion not wanting to go back to work due to the higher UE benefits than normal


Now THIS. This could be a legit issue. We shall see.
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