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re: Contractor won't give me an estimate

Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46419 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:52 pm to
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if he can't do his own estimate why allow him to do the work


Keep reading, I explained it...
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
184473 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:53 pm to
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Biggest bunch of crooks in the State




The board is a bunch of other contractors with a vested interest. They are slowly doing their best to make it where homeowner's can't even work on their own properties.

They are also killing commerce and competition by constantly adding new sublicense fields that create a barrier for entry for little guys and put others out of business.

Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:54 pm to
shady
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
26103 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:56 pm to
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The way insurance is setup with depreciation withheld, there is no money to be made by the insured on repairs unless they are doing the work themselves.

Let us assume, the adjuster writes an estimate for $100k and $50k is paid on the first check. The contractor does the work for $100k then the insured is out of pocket the deductible. If the contractor does the repairs for $70k, the insurance is not going to pay out $50k when the work is compled they are going to pay out $20K.


Unless the government feels like throwing money around to make people happy, this is how it works. You do not get to keep the money if they do it for cheaper.

When I had some storm damage way back, I showed the contractors exactly what insurance said. I went with the contractor who gave me the most out of that number. Fixed items that were not damaged from the storm, but I wanted done.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46419 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:57 pm to
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Ok, so let's say someone wants to put in nicer cabinets so they are going to paint themselves. Is that type of thing allowed?


Sure, your house you can do what you want. The insurance owes for like kind and quality. Insurance views it that you are responsible for the up charge. Sometimes the cost to change stuff isn't a lot, sometimes Xactimate pays more on some items that other items. The contractor really wants to see the bottom line to know if there is enough money to put the house back, while accounting for the scope of damages that the adjuster wrote. Many times it is not worth their time arguing over a few dollars.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
184473 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:59 pm to
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sometimes Xactimate pays more on some items that other items.


When are they going to get privacy fence pricing in line with the market rate? I use XactPRM and always have to adjust fencing when submitting bids to my clients.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
52617 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 12:59 pm to
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Would you rather a contractor be out working smart and being at homes making sure repairs are happening or sitting behind a computer duplicating the work of the adjuster? You have no idea how time estimate writing is...
Why, yes I do. When someone gives me an estimate that I can tell he didn't put time into vs. one where that quote is highly detailed and explains what is being quoted, I will give that quote weight over another quote that isn't.

It shows me that the contractor can see the work in his mind, has attention to detail and has thought through the variables and unknowns. I like that.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
63637 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:00 pm to
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This doesn't make any sense. FEMA's help is highly criticized as being the bare minimum, so why would a contractor be worried about possibly leaving money in the table??



Well, he may be willing to cut the guy a deal...but not cut the government a deal.

Posted by LSUSkip
Central, LA
Member since Jul 2012
24717 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:01 pm to
I would want the estimate done regardless of what FEMA says. They likely aren't going to pay for all of it, I will have to come out of pocket. Why would I have to wait for anything from FEMA for my contractor to give me an estimate?

Two completely different things, IMO, not dependent on one another.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46419 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:02 pm to
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When are they going to get privacy fence pricing in line with the market rate? I use XactPRM and always have to adjust fencing when submitting bids to my clients.


No idea, is the labor or material prices off? There might be a place to contact them
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:03 pm to
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Why would I have to wait for anything from FEMA for my contractor to give me an estimate?


Because the contractor said you had to...if you dont like it find another contractor
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 1:04 pm
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
184473 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:04 pm to
Both. It totals to about a $5 per LF difference. They aren't the only ones. There is another software we use called RepairBASE and it's off too.
Posted by lsufan31
MS
Member since Mar 2013
2211 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:09 pm to
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not dependent on one another.


This is how it should work in an everyday world. If you were paying for some home repairs/upgrades a contractor wouldn't ask to see your bank statement or loan approval papers before giving you an estimate.
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46419 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:14 pm to
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Both. It totals to about a $5 per LF difference. They aren't the only ones. There is another software we use called RepairBASE and it's off too.


I have no idea how to get it corrected. I know they do monthly surveys to try and get correct pricing
This post was edited on 9/1/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:18 pm to
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frick that guy for wanting to run a business to actually turn a profit!!!!




If you cannot run your business without committing fraud, you should find another line of work.

The bid is what it is, and hopefully you've worked your profit into the numbers. If you want to defraud American taxpayers though, go right ahead.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:20 pm to
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Until he sees what FEMA is willing to pay because he doesn't want to leave any money on the table. How shady is this?


Tell him to get the frick out of your house in no uncertain terms. It may also be worth reporting him to FEMA and local authorities.
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:21 pm to
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We always tell clients not to turn in our estimates until they've received an estimate from their adjuster. That way we can argue with the insurer about #s that are too low and we can bump up our #s that we were lower on. It gets the client more money out of the insurer.


That's typically referred to as insurance fraud.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:23 pm to
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Well, he may be willing to cut the guy a deal...but not cut the government a deal.


I don't understand the interest in FEMA though. Every post on this board talks about how FEMA pays out the bare minimum for replacement costs and what not, and labor is crazy high right now, so is there really any chance this guy is going to submit a bid that comes in UNDER the FEMA assistance?
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
184473 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:28 pm to
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fraud



How is it fraud?
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
46419 posts
Posted on 9/1/16 at 1:31 pm to
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How is it fraud?


It isn't...
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